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Do M1 MacBooks use same terrible smearing panel like MacBook Pro 16?
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I believe they’re still the same panel as before (CORRECTION - someone below says Air has updated panel), so check Notebookcheck.net for the reviews of the previous ones. For example: https://www.notebookcheck.net/Apple...s-the-Core-i3-the-better-choice.465534.0.html
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High quality for what purpose? Only photo editing? Or picture viewer? What about creating animations or editing 60fps movies? Pixel response time has to be 16 miliseconds or lower if you want to Edit 60 fps video or animation but mbp 16 has approximately 34 and 52 miliseconds black to white and grey to grey. What kind of quality display is this? You can not scroll a web page with eye comfort because pixels lose their minds if there is a dynamic view and terrible smearing texts and images occur...
I first read the title as "smelling", and thought, "OK, here we go, Stink-Gate ..."
At least the Air got a better panel than the previous model. Like more/better colors.
High quality as in high DPI, wide color gamut and high color accuracy. Only gaming panels have low response times, because competitive gaming is pretty much the only domain where these things really matter.
Look around for display reviews: virtually all high-end workstation laptops with excellent screens have response times of 40 milliseconds or more. That is the price you pay for optimizing for picture quality while having reasonable power consumption. Maybe a video professional could comment why professional monitors make this tradeoff and whether it is really as big of a problem as you claim.
Regarding scrollign texts... I have been using an 16" for almost a year now daily, and I don't have any problem with any kind of smearing. Which is funny, considering that all my work is text-based (programming, academic publications and teaching).
Wow, what a definition... High end workstation
okey could you please explain this: you are an animation maker and decided to make an 60fps animation, in some where you want to add smearing effect. But when you did this a problem knocked your door. Knock knock. Who is there? I am MacBook Pro 16 display with terrible pixel response time. I have already natural smearing because of my high end workstation design so you have also added a smearing effect. How will you calibrate this because this animation will be played on quality low pixel response time displays.You: 404 not found...
Wow, what a definition... High end workstation
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I am not an animator, so I cannot comment on the workflows. The only think I can tell you that ALL high-end laptop workstations, including the ones with the best display on the planet (HP Z-Books with DreamColor) have very slow panels. Must be still worth the tradeoff to graphics professionals if they are buying these $5000 laptops.
Faster response time greatly increases power consumption. It's quite simple, really: you want a pixel to change fast, that means it needs to get from value A to value B fast. The only way that'll happen is if you give it more "power" to do so.
That coupled with wider color gamut plus higher resolution in the display is a combination that is... let's say undesirable in a laptop or portable device. You can easily see that all laptops with UHD 4K screens suck more battery than a 1080p counterpart.
You may be tempted to say "but iPad Pro"... but honestly, the iPad Pro doesn't last 20 hours on battery, right? Meanwhile, the MacBook Pro 13" with its "smearing display" gets 20 hours, with a much more powerful SoC to boot. I'm sure Apple could add a 120Hz display into the MacBook Pro 13" but... what's even the point? To satisfy "professional animators"?
Also, if you're a professional animator, you wouldn't really want to work all the time on a 13" or 16" screen anyways. Hell, you won't even look at the MacBook Pro 13" or 16" in the first place. The MacBooks are great portable computers, but a professional animator will want much more graphics horsepower than whatever the M1 can muster, plus a much bigger screen to work with. The latter is almost a requirement due to the many things they need to see on the screen... such as all of the tools, plus the timeline. Source: I have a friend who works at Blizzard.
So response time is not the only thing that matters.
Personally, I'd trade some smear while scrolling for longer battery life any day. It's not like I pay very close attention to the screen when scrolling anyways. Plus I don't see why you're making this out to be a problem now. MacBook screens have always been "smeary" like this to me.
Such a thing has existed before, the iBook G3 series had keyboards that were infamous for smelling like sweat after a while, majority of the ones you find today have this issue.
Just curious, what's the average response time of a higher end Windows laptop these days? Any good video examples of ghosting windows/text? ON my older MacBooks you can see the Finder windows leaving large ghost trails for a second, very noticeable.
Laptops known for high-quality displays? They are all in the ballpark of >=40ms grey to grey. Here are some comparisons by notebookcheck (scroll down to display section):
HP ZBook Studio G4 (Xeon, Quadro M1200, DreamColor) Workstation Review
Review of the HP ZBook Studio G4 with Nvidia Quadro M1200 GPU and Intel Xeon E3 1505M CPU.
Apple MacBook Pro 16 2019 Laptop Review: A convincing Core i9-9880H and Radeon Pro 5500M powered multimedia laptop
Notebookcheck.com reviews the flagship model of the MacBook Pro 16, Apple's latest multimedia laptop. The machine comes with an AMD Radeon Pro 5500M GPU and an Intel Core i9-9880H CPU, along with 16 GB of DDR4-2666 RAM and a 1 TB SSD. Read on to find out why have awarded the MacBook Pro 16 top...
What about OLED monitors? Don't they have sub-millisecond grey-to-grey? And is there any chance Apple would put them in its laptops?
I know this isn't the category you were thinking of, since this thread is about laptops, but it's worth noting the finest reference monitors in the world, such as the 4k Sony Trimaster, use OLED panels with response times in the microsecond range. And they consider this response time an important feature for video editing. So it is possible to get both reference quality, and fast response time, at least in a desktop monitor, and at the upper end of the price scale.
If you're doing critical video editing work, would you really be editing on a laptop monitor? I would think a laptop monitor would be more for prototyping/exploratory work. Though as far as smearing during scrolling goes, I do agree with you.
No idea, do you know of any creative workstation that ships with an OLED montor?
Well, sure, but you are talking about what, $40,000 professional displays? I don't think this technology will be relevant to laptops any time soon. And current mainstream affordable OLED panels don't seem to have the image quality suitable for professional work (at any rate all "cheap" pro displays seem to use IPS technology).
Wow, what a definition... High end workstation
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Attach an external monitor?
If you need the kind of monitor performance you're alluding to, surely you're not going to torture yourself by spending your entire working life on a 13, or even 16 inch monitor?
Ok, ok, I'll concede that for some people it may not be an option, at least until they save a little more. But it would drive me mental if I had to restrict myself to such a small screen ad infinitum. I've already purchased a new 28" 4K display for when my new M1 replaces my 27" iMac come Christmas. I can cope on a small screen just fine for hours, days even, but I couldn't do it forever. I could be in a minority of course.
Not qute workstation-class, but there's the Gigabyte Aero 15 OLED XB. They claim "Each panel is X-Rite Pantone certified and color-calibrated at the factory." According to https://www.cnet.com/reviews/gigabyte-aero-15-oled-review/ , it Samsung's laptop OLED panel isn't quite yet able the compete with the best pro-grade IPS laptop panels for color accuracy:
Here's a full workstation that ships with that panel; but its accuracy seems worse than on the Gigabyte
Razer Blade Studio Edition review: A pricey MacBook Pro alternative for graphics pros
It's not the fastest in its class, but with workstation-level graphics, an OLED display and a sleek design, the Studio Edition delivers a great balance.
Of course, and I explictly acknowledged in my post that the Trimaster was an entirely different class of product. Nevertheless, thought it important to note that while your statement ("Response time of any high-quality display is going to be bad — that's not what they are optimized for.") seems to currently be true for laptops, it isn't true generally—the technology exists to have both. There's just a big cost in power efficiency and cash.
The industry you mentioned is still working on 30 even 24fps. For animation, each frame costs money, and for 60fps you are literally spending money on drawing double frames.
I have a 16 inch MBP and the smearing is terrible IMO. That was the first thing I noticed when I upgraded from a late 2013 rMBP.
To all apologists who say it’s supposedly because of the display’s better color accuracy I will say: iPad Pro with the same M1 chip as in the new Macbook Air has a wonderful color accurate 120Hz screen that is miles more pleasurable to use than one in my 16 inch MBP.
To all apologists who say it’s supposedly because of the display’s better color accuracy I will say: iPad Pro with the same M1 chip as in the new Macbook Air has a wonderful color accurate 120Hz screen that is miles more pleasurable to use than one in my 16 inch MBP.