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So I've kind of been circling this question in recent weeks and I'd be really interested to know what others thought. Today I watched a video by Noah Hermann on YouTube in which he says 'Apple wants you to buy both a Mac and an iPad' and this really led me to pause and reflect on this.

I haven't used 26 yet, but I'm impressed by what I've seen of it. For a bit of context, I've not used a Mac since late 2019 when I got an iPad Pro. I had been resigning myself to the fact I might need to leave the iPad, but 26 has certainly drawn me back in. Having said that this question has kept coming to me. I think we can try all we want with devices to use them how we want to, but at the end of the day we are subject to the manufacturer's idea for the product and how it fits with their other products - naturally. As impressed by 26 as I am, I'm still not that convinced that Apple is truly ok with people just using an iPad as their only computer.

A lot of great tech journalists I follow like Frederico Viticci and Chris Lawley have long wanted their iPads to be their computers, but I'm kind of not sure they're the kind of people who should be able to just use an iPad. I think both now need and seemingly derive a lot of value from features that probably should be the reserve of the Mac. Them and fellow Apple bloggers often experiment with menu bar apps, local AI tools, scripts, coding etc. which I think indicates that their curiosity and propensity to tweak and optimise is not and probably cannot sensibly be met by the iPad. For these people, the iPad probably makes more sense to be a secondary computer. Sure the iPad should get more and more powerful so that they can do more of their work on the go, but I think these sorts of people will always need a Mac at home where they can finish projects or really get stuck into the nitty gritty of something.

I think there are other types of people for whom the same is probably true. I'd say a serious graphic designer gets great value out of an iPad Pro and a pencil, but that they probably need to finish a project on a Mac. I'd say the same is true of video editors, coders, architects, photographers, those kinds of people. I think it's absolutely fine that Apple tries to sell these sorts of people two computers, the iPad and the Mac.

I think for the rest of us though (the majority), iPads can, now, do everything we need them to do in a way that makes sense - I think 'in a way that makes sense' has come with 26. If tech bloggers are 'pro' users, maybe the rest of us can be 'serious' users? I think pro users will always need both a Mac and iPad, but for serious users, the iPad is sufficient. I'm here thinking of so-called knowledge workers who write and edit text and communicate as the core functions of their work.

I think some sort of new 'What's a computer?' style campaign by Apple would convince me that Apple is ok with people just buying an iPad. I do think however, that they are kind of, somewhat cheekily, banking on the fact that people still view iPads as less powerful than they actually are and opt for a computer that costs a few hundred pounds/euros/freedom eagles whatever more instead.

TL;DR I'm really quite pleased with how 26 looks and I do think it represents some shift in Apple's thinking towards the iPad, but until Apple comes out and says 'Most of you don't need a Mac AND an iPad Air/Pro - an iPad Air/Pro can be your sole computer' I think there's this ceiling for the iPad that will never be broken. This point is probably never going to come as it would be an act of self-sabotage by Apple.

I guess, however, that Apple may just want us as the users to declare the iPad enough for ourselves and so maybe one shouldn't be waiting from a clear official nod from Apple? Waiting for the latter is probably a misplaced hope - Apple gains from the strategic ambiguity.
 
I don't think Apple's narrative has changed. The problem is far too many people see the word computer and they instantly think Mac when in reality, a computer is any tool that helps you achieve any given task you need done. As such, the iPad is a computer as is the iPhone. Some people get by with using a single device to meet all their day to day needs while others, need more than one device to accomplish a task or meet a need or preference.
 
I don't think Apple's narrative has changed. The problem is far too many people see the word computer and they instantly think Mac when in reality, a computer is any tool that helps you achieve any given task you need done. As such, the iPad is a computer as is the iPhone. Some people get by with using a single device to meet all their day to day needs while others, need more than one device to accomplish a task or meet a need or preference.

Totally agree!
They are all just computers.

Exactly why owners of the computers should be able to install software from any sources they prefer.

Well said Robert!
 
I don't think Apple's narrative has changed. The problem is far too many people see the word computer and they instantly think Mac when in reality, a computer is any tool that helps you achieve any given task you need done. As such, the iPad is a computer as is the iPhone. Some people get by with using a single device to meet all their day to day needs while others, need more than one device to accomplish a task or meet a need or preference.
Yes I think you’re right - their narrative hasn’t changed.
Yes.
 
I think y’all are overthinking this. I’d say it comes down to a few basic things.

Like any company wants to sell as many things as possible

It’s not an Apple’s interest to make one product cannibalize sales from another product. Have they done this? Yes
As in you think they have made one product cannibalise sales from another?
 
Apple wants to sell you everything.

That's why their individual products usually never 100% satisfy people's needs.
It would be a trick to meet the demands of what I need the desktop to do and what I use the iPad for. The desktop does not balance on the lap very well, and sitting on the office chair while reading a book is not all that comfortable. The iPad has a small screen and severe lack of connectivity and if it was in the center of the swarm of cables then it's not portable anymore.

My complaint is the iPad versions with cellular connections can't just be a phone. I don't need to have my phone with me all the time. The iPad is still more portable than the landline phone and would do the job just fine.

But that's not an option, so I end up with an Android phone ($400 less than the cheapest iPhone in the refurb store) that sits on the bookshelf. Wifi calling doesn't help when the power goes out and the local landline was abandoned years ago.
 
I think multiple things are true.
  • Obviously, they would want to sell an iPad and Mac to everybody.
  • This is not “the reason why they’re artificially limiting the iPad”. If an iPad that could fully replace a Mac was possible, it would be in Apple’s best interest to create it — such a device could be a big hit, and not creating it is a risk, since competitors could do it.
  • Due to their very different form factors (specially touch vs mouse as main input) iPads and Macs will always excel at different things. For people who are focused on tasks the Mac does better, this will be understood as “the iPad needs to catch up”. However, many other people (underrepresented here) do not only think the iPad is enough — they actually prefer the iPad to the Mac. Some users (like myself) are in the middle, and prefer to do some things on the iPad, and some on the Mac.
  • Apple can try to adapt the iPad for keyboard input (or the Mac to touch input), and that’s nice. In fact, I’m writing this with an iPad+MK :). But it will never be better than a Mac on mouse-focused tasks. In the same way that a Mac with detachable touchscreen would be ok to watch a movie on the sofa, but never better than an iPad when it comes to web surfing, brainstorming with notes, 3D scanning…
  • It’s funny that we discuss about whether the iPad is good enough, when the *phone* has actually eaten most of the PC market. The iPad didn’t reach its full forecasted potential because it didn’t catch up with the PC, but because phones became so good that many people didn’t need a tablet (and PC).
 
iPad is how computing will look like in the next 50 years.

You know, we started from “keyboard computers” not because it was super convenient but because capacitive touchscreen tech was not even in development back then (or maybe it was somewhere near Roswell🛸👽).

Now touchscreens are everywhere.

Right now people buy “keyboard computers” (PCs, Macs) because those are more convenient for their workflow and habits, as well as many programs are more advanced on desktop. I don’t like this and would love all the apps to look the same on Mac and iOS/iPadOS, with no lack of options on “mobile”.

Back then computers were centerpieces to access the web. Now web is literally everywhere, devices surround us. And for majority of people it will suffice.

Since 2014 I’ve learned to do lots of stuff on my iPad instead of “big boy” computers. Photo editing, videos, writing, browsing, gaming, it all started to happen on my mobiles. Haven’t looked back since then. Nowadays I currently use my Macbook mostly for watching movies🤣

As filesystem on iPads and iPhones evolved, it became much more than “just a tablet” for me personally. I can finally organize my photos, sort them out, even convert or clean up using my own Shortcuts scripts. This stuff is indeed amazing. Yes I can do it oldschool way on my mac, but what if I wanna edit a photo? My mobiles have better hands-on controls for editing and it feels much more precise than doing that with mouse
 
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I don’t know what Apple wants, but I have been using an iPad instead of my MacBook for the last 12 years and it should get much better with iPadOS 26. ✌️
Yep same as you, and i've also got the same Macbook (2015 13 MBP). Since getting the iPad Air 4 + MKB in 2020 I just hardly used my MBP apart from certain file oriented tasks and ripping my CD's.

I have been eyeing upgrading my 10 year old MBP (which works fine) to an Apple Silicon Macbook Air, but instead I just got the iPad Pro M4 with new MKB and have not looked back, its just so good to use and iPad OS 26 is like the cherry on top.
 
iPad is how computing will look like in the next 50 years.

You know, we started from “keyboard computers” not because it was super convenient but because capacitive touchscreen tech was not even in development back then (or maybe it was somewhere near Roswell🛸👽).

Now touchscreens are everywhere.

Right now people buy “keyboard computers” (PCs, Macs) because those are more convenient for their workflow and habits, as well as many programs are more advanced on desktop. I don’t like this and would love all the apps to look the same on Mac and iOS/iPadOS, with no lack of options on “mobile”.

Back then computers were centerpieces to access the web. Now web is literally everywhere, devices surround us. And for majority of people it will suffice.

Since 2014 I’ve learned to do lots of stuff on my iPad instead of “big boy” computers. Photo editing, videos, writing, browsing, gaming, it all started to happen on my mobiles. Haven’t looked back since then. Nowadays I currently use my Macbook mostly for watching movies🤣

As filesystem on iPads and iPhones evolved, it became much more than “just a tablet” for me personally. I can finally organize my photos, sort them out, even convert or clean up using my own Shortcuts scripts. This stuff is indeed amazing. Yes I can do it oldschool way on my mac, but what if I wanna edit a photo? My mobiles have better hands-on controls for editing and it feels much more precise than doing that with mouse
We seem to have very different experiences.

The web was designed pre tablet and that shows. Whenever I’ve tried to do something important on an iPad usually I’ll hit issues with web compatibility or sites that just won’t load and I end up needing to grab the Mac.

It’s very annoying because the iPad is a great devices for filling out forms and signing documents. They’re just terrible the moment you need to save that files to files and then upload it to some clunky website that was designed for a desktop OS.
 
iPad is how computing will look like in the next 50 years.

I think it's likely a mistake to try to prognosticate out 50 years given how life and technology and society all are these days, and how they've changed so much in the last 50 and certainly the 50 before that.

Just running the tape forward is basically never how things go.
 
That maybe a bit too general no?

Is a hammer a computer?

How about a pen, or dishcloth?
We are talking about electronic devices. What I posted was a valid statement in light of the subject matter. Why are you trying to poke the bear? It seems on MR that no matter what one posts, there will be a reply that seeks to find fault by twisting the obvious into a pretzel just so the responder can find fault.
 
OP, thoughtful post— nuanced and experience-based. Much thanks for sharing your ruminations. Well worth pondering…

Our household ended up “diverging” on this. We were originally all laptop-based, then added iPads, so we were using both for several years. From there, some of us shifted to the iPad for everything, while others (touch typists, writers, and data analysts) switched between the two, depending upon the task or entertainment we were engaged in.

In fact, as a representative of the latter group, I’ve often jumped between the iPad and the Mac for the exact same use — e.g., shopping, browsing, and astronomical pursuits.

Now, as to Apple's motivation and interest, it likely recognizes this exact divergence and knows its market is diverse, with some wanting or needing both and others wanting to do more with their iPads.

I’ll also wager that they know there's a growing iPad market for those who were mostly iPhone users, but want a lightweight portable device with a large screen — and, for that, the iPad serves them well.
 
That maybe a bit too general no?

Is a hammer a computer?

How about a pen, or dishcloth?
I think Apple Robert is saying that a modern smartphone, tablet, consoles etc all use the same internal architecture as that of a traditional PC/Mac 'Computer' i.e. CPU, GPU, Internal Storage, RAM and Motherboard, which can complete a lot of tasks that people would previously have done on a traditional 'computer'.
 
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Of course they want people to buy and use iPads. If you design and sell a product, you want people to buy and use it, and feel they weren’t cheated. Otherwise you wouldn’t have many customers and you’d go out of business.

Apple want people to use iPads.

They don’t want people to use iPads only. They want people to use a Mac ( and preferably two Macs, a laptop and desktop), an iPad, an iPhone and a Watch. And they want people to pay for services to integrate all these devices.

They know not everyone will buy from all categories, but they definitely want the average customer to buy at least two + some services.

Realistically, a lot of people could get away with only owning an iPhone, if you could connect that iPhone to a monitor, keyboard and mouse, and if all the software you needed was available, but there’s far less profit in that model.

Nokia’s big mistake was making a range of phone that gave people every everything they wanted from a phone at that time, and didn’t need any upgrading or upselling.

Apple have made sure they don’t make that mistake.
 
Of course they want people to buy and use iPads. If you design and sell a product, you want people to buy and use it, and feel they weren’t cheated. Other you wouldn’t have many customers and you’d go out of business.

Apple want people to use iPads.

They don’t want people to use iPads only. They want people to use a Mac ( and preferably two Macs, a laptop and desktop), an iPad, an iPhone and a Watch. And they want people to pay for services to integrate all these devices.

They know not everyone will buy from all categories, but they definitely want the average customer to buy at least two + some services.

Apple just wants people to buy....everything.

Every product, every subscription, every accessory...

Just buy baby ... buy buy buy buy buy.

That is what they care about.
Any other concerns are a distant second place.

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Apple just wants people to buy....everything.

Every product, every subscription, every accessory...

Just buy baby ... buy buy buy buy buy.

That is what they care about.
Any other concerns are a distant second place.

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Well yes. Apple is a corporation, and the prime goal of a corporation is to maintain and increase shareholder value.

It’s not a conspiracy, it’s not a scam, they are not ripping you off in the background.

Apple sells products and services, and they want as many people to buy those products and services.

Ford wants you to buy their cars.

McDonalds wants you to buy their food.

You want someone to buy your products, services, time or knowledge.

Framing this in an overly sinister way is a bit childish, frankly. Caveat Emptor. You choose to buy, or you choose not to buy. The responsibility for that choice is yours.

Rain is wet.
 
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