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Do you use Tiger or Leopard PowerPC?
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Yes, which is why I favor Tiger over Leopard, but sadly, much doesn't work in Classic. For example, try playing a game called "Escape Velocity" in Classic. You can find it on the Macintosh Garden website. Of course, there are also other reasons for which I favor OS 9 over Tiger, but most of that comes down to personal preference.
Both. Tiger on the iBook G4 (Early 2005 12"), Leopard on the Power Mac G5 (Late 2005 Dual 2.3 GHz with matching Cinema Display), 9.0.4 on the Power Mac G4 (500 MHz Sawtooth with matching 21" Apple Trinitron CRT). Though admittedly the iBook is the only one of these I've been using recently.
Many applications run poorly in Classic, and things also don't always play nicely if you need to directly interface with hardware(i.e. I have a SCSI scanner where the software to run it is OS 9 native-it won't work in Classic but works great natively running OS 9).
Aside from that, OS 9 is slicker than snot on most G4 hardware, while classic can be quite a drag on single CPU systems. I personally have little use for Classic, although I know there are folks who use it heavily. From what I've seen, the folks who DO like it seem to use it for fairly lightweight stuff like older word processors-in some cases even running 68K programs in it.
My list of Macs are in the https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...-macs-than-i-do.1816059/page-10#post-24610641 thread.
To elaborate more, yes I usually try to upgrade the hardware also, but it doesn't stop me from running Leopard on a 450MHz (original CPU) AGP PowerMac or a Pismo upgraded to a 550MHz G4 CPU. It is relatively easy to max the RAM (aside from Macs with proprietary memory cards such as the PowerBook 520c) but CPU upgrades are not easy to find, and/or require equipment and knowledge like @dosdude1 and @LightBulbFun have.
To elaborate more, yes I usually try to upgrade the hardware also, but it doesn't stop me from running Leopard on a 450MHz (original CPU) AGP PowerMac or a Pismo upgraded to a 550MHz G4 CPU. It is relatively easy to max the RAM (aside from Macs with proprietary memory cards such as the PowerBook 520c) but CPU upgrades are not easy to find, and/or require equipment and knowledge like @dosdude1 and @LightBulbFun have.
I use it by far the most for gaming, and it requires native OS 9 (as of now), else we have to put up with lower framerate issues (and sometimes incompatibility) in Basilisk and Sheepshaver. QEMU is evolving, too, but is not quite up there yet.
That aside, I use it for everything I do in any other computer and system, but I favor OS 9 for the user experience. The things I do in any computer include "normal" things like video & audio entertainment and creating documents, but I'm also a dev (high level stuff only, sadly), so I code. I also like demoscene demos, and hunted down every single one that existed for OS 9. (Will also follow that with PPC OS X later.)
There are a few things I can't or don't know how to do in them. Here's a list...
- Cannot deploy apps to my Android phones and iOS via USB. (Or any other way.)
- Cannot make Google Hangouts calls (although I can use the text & image features via TenFourFox). There's Skype, too, but is it still usable on PPC in 2019? I am looking for PPC replacements for video and audio conferencing.
- VPNs. I figure it MUST exist for TigerLeopard, but I think not at all for OS 9. I mean something akin to LogMeIn Hamachi.
- There aren't as many accurate emulators to platforms, especially under OS 9, like BSNES/Higan. I think there was an OS X (PPC) version of BSNES, though?
- (OS 9 only) Can't trust online banking & anything else this sensitive without at least TLS 1.2, which Classilla lacks. It also lacks an overall "proper" browser in terms of web compatibility, despite working blazingly-fast on my setup.
Regarding my OS 9 Classilla setup, it's so good because my browser cache is inside a RAM Disk, and Virtual Memory is disabled, something which I hear should not be disabled in OS X, else there are big consequences. Both Windows and OS X seem to RELY on the presence of Virtual Memory? Even when using SSDs instead of HDDs, that's a big performance waste and problem, especially when you have the RAM, like 16GB on the Quad, and could exploit it to the fullest.
With a mobile user agent to top it off, an SSD and whatnot, the experience is incredible. Imagine putting an entire virtual machine inside a RAM Disk on a Quad... If anyone has tried using OS X with virtual memory forcibly disabled for a while, let me know the results and what problems were run into...
There's more of interest to say, but I'm a bit forgetful.
I voted for Leopard and Tiger. I primarily use Leopard 10.5.8 on my G4s, and Tiger on the G3s but I don't fire these up as often. I do not have any G5s, and even if I did I don't have the physical space for them.
I very rarely run Mac OS 9 using SheepShaver. I've recently become a bit interested in Panther and Jaguar because of older software that runs on those versions but not newer versions of Mac OS X. Also, if I build I should at least try to build and test on these older versions of Mac OS X, and possibly Mac OS 9 and earlier. I would like to put the various OSes in their own partitions on a big external HD, and boot up each separately and test them all. My original dual-USB iBook G3 came with Puma and I have the original disks that came with it, but later versions are just so much faster, better and less buggy. There is also an appeal to booting up in Mac OS 9, or running Classic applications within older versions of Mac OS X.
I very rarely run Mac OS 9 using SheepShaver. I've recently become a bit interested in Panther and Jaguar because of older software that runs on those versions but not newer versions of Mac OS X. Also, if I build I should at least try to build and test on these older versions of Mac OS X, and possibly Mac OS 9 and earlier. I would like to put the various OSes in their own partitions on a big external HD, and boot up each separately and test them all. My original dual-USB iBook G3 came with Puma and I have the original disks that came with it, but later versions are just so much faster, better and less buggy. There is also an appeal to booting up in Mac OS 9, or running Classic applications within older versions of Mac OS X.
Hey @Jordan XP : so far you've asked so many questions - but it would be also nice to know, what's Your intention, to use PowerPC?
- exploring the operating systems (old os9/OSX for PPC/Linus for PPC) ?
- running virtual machines (e.g. VirtualPC with Windows)
- nostalgia for old Apple computers?
- coding?
- networking / multiplatform-networking? (ScreenSharing/RemoteDesktop or RemoteControl; FileSharing/FTP, etc. )
- gaming (old games for os9/ OSX for PPC)?
- reasonable costs for old hardware and free abandonware?
- tinkering with old hardware?
- Office / web / Wikipedia for school? Collaborative working with others?
- Cloud-computing?
- video-/photo-/music-capturing/editing?
- streaming video/audio-content
- own audio-/video-broadcast (e.g. for school-projects)
- communication (IRC, WhatsApp, email, fax)
- just for the hell of it ... ?
And what about the Mac(s) you're using?
About all of these topics there are commonly so many questions and useful solutions.
(And when I comes to my person, with the exception of "coding" I would say "yes" to all the above mentioned topics and this forum gave me so much inspiration, since I coincidentally stumbled in here as a novice a few years ago ...
)
Maybe asking concrete questions about any of your current ideas, problems or projects concerning PowerPC, or telling stories about nice/odd things/problems happening with your Mac is a better idea than to throw a lot of polls ...
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- exploring the operating systems (old os9/OSX for PPC/Linus for PPC) ?
- running virtual machines (e.g. VirtualPC with Windows)
- nostalgia for old Apple computers?
- coding?
- networking / multiplatform-networking? (ScreenSharing/RemoteDesktop or RemoteControl; FileSharing/FTP, etc. )
- gaming (old games for os9/ OSX for PPC)?
- reasonable costs for old hardware and free abandonware?
- tinkering with old hardware?
- Office / web / Wikipedia for school? Collaborative working with others?
- Cloud-computing?
- video-/photo-/music-capturing/editing?
- streaming video/audio-content
- own audio-/video-broadcast (e.g. for school-projects)
- communication (IRC, WhatsApp, email, fax)
- just for the hell of it ... ?
And what about the Mac(s) you're using?
About all of these topics there are commonly so many questions and useful solutions.
(And when I comes to my person, with the exception of "coding" I would say "yes" to all the above mentioned topics and this forum gave me so much inspiration, since I coincidentally stumbled in here as a novice a few years ago ...
)Maybe asking concrete questions about any of your current ideas, problems or projects concerning PowerPC, or telling stories about nice/odd things/problems happening with your Mac is a better idea than to throw a lot of polls ...
Welcome to the PPC-Forum
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Hey @Jordan XP : so far you've asked so many questions - but it would be also nice to know, what's Your intention, to use PowerPC?
- exploring the operating systems (old os9/OSX for PPC/Linus for PPC) ?
- running virtual machines (e.g. VirtualPC with Windows)
- nostalgia for old Apple computers?
- coding?
- networking / multiplatform-networking? (ScreenSharing/RemoteDesktop or RemoteControl; FileSharing/FTP, etc. )
- gaming (old games for os9/ OSX for PPC)?
- reasonable costs for old hardware and free abandonware?
- tinkering with old hardware?
- Office / web / Wikipedia for school? Collaborative working with others?
- Cloud-computing?
- video-/photo-/music-capturing/editing?
- streaming video/audio-content
- own audio-/video-broadcast (e.g. for school-projects)
- communication (IRC, WhatsApp, email, fax)
- just for the hell of it ... ?
And what about the Mac(s) you're using?
About all of these topics there are commonly so many questions and useful solutions.
(And when I comes to my person, with the exception of "coding" I would say "yes" to all the above mentioned topics and this forum gave me so much inspiration, since I coincidentally stumbled in here as a novice a few years ago ...
Maybe asking concrete questions about any of your current ideas, problems or projects concerning PowerPC, or telling stories about nice/odd things/problems happening with your Mac is a better idea than to throw a lot of polls ...
Welcome to the PPC-Forum
The bold ones.
I'd recommend a laptop with a G4 processor (the PowerBook G4 or the iBook G4).
I can answer the VPN question. Tiger and Leopard have OpenVPN support with Tunnelblick, but you'll have to run an older version in Tiger since the newest PPC binary likes to crash frequently. Note that I'm talking about running a VPN client, and not a server, on your system, but I'm sure there must be a way to run a VPN server under OS X.
There's SNES9X for OS 9, and that's pretty accurate and fast. Other video game emulators under OS 9 are hit or miss.
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Under what situations would you recommend an iBook over a PowerBook, or vice-versa? If, for example, one wanted portability, would you suggest a 12" PowerBook or a similar age iBook?
Also, with PowerBooks, would you suggest the titanium or aluminum models?
What about PowerBook and iBook G3s that have been upgraded to G4 processors?
