EPS Question...

[iGary]

I have a 36" x 16" banner that I need to have printed, and it's been so long out of the publishing world that I forget about this type of stuff.

I have all the fonts in, embedded etc. but I get a warning dialogue that the fonts aren't at 150 dpi (I set them that way, though) and thet only fonts with permission will be embedded...

A little jog to the memory, please?

Thanks.

 

[iGary]

Where is BV when I need her. ?

 

[Jaffa Cake]

Generally, if we're sending an EPS off to print we'd convert any type to outlines. Helps prevent any font-related problems creeping in.

Might be worthwhile doing that.

 

[iGary]

Generally, if we're sending an EPS off to print we'd convert any type to outlines. Helps prevent any font-related problems creeping in.

Might be worthwhile doing that.

I've never done a large poster (on vinyl) like this before - doe the resolution matter, or can they adjust that with the EPS I give them? (Avoiding design fees, here. )

 

[Jaffa Cake]

If they're converted to outlines, then they're just the same as any other vector shape in the artwork – they can be scaled up or down to any size you like without loss of resolution. I presume you're working in Illustrator or Freehand?

 

[iGary]

If they're converted to outlines, then they're just the same as any other vector shape in the artwork – they can be scaled up or down to any size you like without loss of resolution. I presume you're working in Illustrator or Freehand?

Illustrator.

I just redid it and selected the "Create Outlines" tag for both of the text lines (two different fonts) - even though I still get the warning as posted above, should I be OK? I don't want some snobby artist at the sign company giving me a load of *****.

 

[Jaffa Cake]

It sounds like it should be fine to me. Like I say, if the text has been converted to outlines then it's just another vector shape and shouldn't pose any problems.

I don't want some snobby artist at the sign company giving me a load of *****.

To be fair to them, it's the only fun they ever get...

 

[iGary]

It sounds like it should be fine to me. Like I say, if the text has been converted to outlines then it's just another vector shape and shouldn't pose any problems.

To be fair to them, it's the only fun they ever get...

LOL thanks. I just sent it off.

As an aside, what do the warnings I got i the EPS file save dialogue mean?

 

[Jaffa Cake]

As I understand it, the 'permission bits' it mentions – that's to do with some fonts having certain licensing restrictions about being embedded in files. Illustrator checks to see if the fonts being used in your artwork have the relevant permissions and, if not, it won't embed them. The message you're seeing is basically a reminder of this. Of course, you've converted your fonts to outlines so no need to worry about that one.

The 'Document Raster Effects' setting concerns any raster-based effects you've added – for example, if you've put a drop shadow or feather effect in your artwork. If you sent it out with a 72ppi resolution it might not come out too great for hi-res printing. It would be fine for web work, though. Equally, if you have it set at 300ppi it would print fine but it would be overkill if it's a graphic for your website.

That's as I understand it all, anyway.

 

[iGary]

As I understand it, the 'permission bits' it mentions – that's to do with some fonts having certain licensing restrictions about being embedded in files. Illustrator checks to see if the fonts being used in your artwork have the relevant permissions and, if not, it won't embed them. The message you're seeing is basically a reminder of this. Of course, you've converted your fonts to outlines so no need to worry about that one.

The 'Document Raster Effects' setting concerns any raster-based effects you've added – for example, if you've put a drop shadow or feather effect in your artwork. If you sent it out with a 72ppi resolution it might not come out too great for hi-res printing. It would be fine for web work, though. Equally, if you have it set at 300ppi it would print fine but it would be overkill if it's a graphic for your website.

That's as I understand it all, anyway.

Ah good - no effects on this one, just Myrid Pro Semi-Bold in two different colors.

 

[matticus008]

The raster effects warning? It's saying that your document overall has some components in it that are at screen resolution, rather than print resolution, so you might see some "jaggies" in the finished product (shadows, gradients, that sort of thing) even though your line art and text will be crystal-clear. On a vinyl banner, though, it's less important since there will likely be a large viewing distance between the viewer and the banner.

The font warning is a primitive DRM system for proprietary fonts, but your document doesn't technically have fonts in it anymore, so no worries.

Edit: too slow for the draw!

 

[iGary]

The raster effects warning? It's saying that your document overall has some components in it that are at screen resolution, rather than print resolution, so you might see some "jaggies" in the finished product (shadows, gradients, that sort of thing) even though your line art and text will be crystal-clear. On a vinyl banner, though, it's less important since there will likely be a large viewing distance between the viewer and the banner.

The font warning is a primitive DRM system for proprietary fonts, but your document doesn't technically have fonts in it anymore, so no worries.

Edit: too slow for the draw!

No, thanks - that added a bit to my knowledge. I appreciate it.

The fonts are hijacked, so we'll see what happens - they are now lines as Jaffa suggested.

 

[matticus008]

No, thanks - that added a bit to my knowledge. I appreciate it.

The fonts are hijacked, so we'll see what happens - they are now lines as Jaffa suggested.

Myriad is a standard system font, so there shouldn't be any licensing problems, but the font business is a secretive and mysterious operation. BV I'm sure has some stories of licensing arguments! I've had a few clients and a former roommate in the graphics business, and they have some pretty crazy ones.

It's almost funny in comparison to the RIAA--their products are a measly $15 or so, but a font can cost hundreds of dollars, sometimes even thousands (for variations). All that money, just for a typeface, and still they aren't as DRM-happy as record labels.

 

[iGary]

Myriad is a standard system font, so there shouldn't be any licensing problems, but the font business is a secretive and mysterious operation. BV I'm sure has some stories of licensing arguments! I've had a few clients and a former roommate in the graphics business, and they have some pretty crazy ones.

It's almost funny in comparison to the RIAA--their products are a measly $15 or so, but a font can cost hundreds of dollars, sometimes even thousands (for variations). All that money, just for a typeface, and still they aren't as DRM-happy as record labels.

Well it's a non-standard Myriad, so we wil see.

Worst Case - I buy it. I use it a lot.

 

[rick6502]

First, as many people have said the font embedding has to do with the permission bits on fonts. Convert them to outlines and this won't be a problem.

Second, the document raster effects only matters if you use transparency effects. (Drop shadows, feathering, etc.) If you didn't do anything like that you're okay. Or you can change the document raster effect to a higher number. It's an option under the "Effect" menu.

Frankly, if you've got a version of Illustrator that has these error messages, you'd be better off saving the file as a PDF. That way both of these messages go away. I can't imagine any place wouldn't accept a PDF as an EPS alternative.

 

[rick6502]

Myriad is a standard system font, so there shouldn't be any licensing problems, but the font business is a secretive and mysterious operation. BV I'm sure has some stories of licensing arguments! I've had a few clients and a former roommate in the graphics business, and they have some pretty crazy ones.

It's almost funny in comparison to the RIAA--their products are a measly $15 or so, but a font can cost hundreds of dollars, sometimes even thousands (for variations). All that money, just for a typeface, and still they aren't as DRM-happy as record labels.

What's crazy is the copyright laws regarding fonts in the US vs. the rest of the world. Outside of the US it's the design of the font that is copyrighted. In the US it's the actual digital file. So you can scan someone else's font, make a new digital file, and call it your font. Suddenly Optima is Optimum. Maybe that's why they charge so much.

And yes, the RIAA does suck.