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Ambrosia7177

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Yesterday I went to look up the sports schedule for one of the school I was looking to interview. (Trying to catch the school superintendent at a game.)

When I went to the high school's website I got this in Firefox...
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Error 403 Geo-block

The entire town this school is in is like 700 people...

Then I went to MaxPreps.com and got a similar error.

Then I turned off my VPN and tried and same thing.

Also cleared out browser cache and cookies.

And I believe I was getting this in Chrome too.

WTF?

At first, I wondered if maybe the school blocked my IP? (Maybe it's a conspiracy and the superintendent changed his mind and doesn't want to be interviewed and they blocked me?!)

But if MaxPreps is doing that too, then it's more than that.

What is happening?

If I can't get the sports schedule, then I can't plan my next trip to visit the school and get my long-awaited interview...
 
Just asking the simple question: Are you blocked only from your present location (hotel network, I'm guessing)? That is, have you tried either laptop, connecting from another physical location, away from your hotel network?
 
Just asking the simple question: Are you blocked only from your present location (hotel network, I'm guessing)? That is, have you tried either laptop, connecting from another physical location, away from your hotel network?

I am 1,000 miles from my regular hotel where I have been working.

This is happening at a library, although I have been conencting to these websites using my iPhone' personal hotspot.

Like everything in my life, I cannot conenct to the library's free Wi-Fi for unknown reasons.

So I have tried conencting to these websites using various VPN locations and with my VPN off and just using my iPhone's personal hotspot which means that these websites should be seeing a local AT&T cellualr location in the same state where they are at.

No problems accessing any other websites.

This issue happens on my old MBP and my newer rMBP and with Firefox and Chrome.

I did not try with my Mac's firewall turned off, as that seems to extreme, but I did clear browser caches and made sure that NoScipt and uMatrix shpuldn't be the issue, although I only have all of thspe add-ons in Firefox on my rMBP.

Considering that one group of people I'm targeting to interview is school superintendents, it is pretty crippling to be blcoked from MaxPreps.com and this particular school where I'm trying to get an interview in...

Conspiracy or just a PITA techno thing?
 
So, the school doesn't answer the telephone?
(Am I understanding that you don't want the target for your interview to know you are coming?)
 
So, the school doesn't answer the telephone?
(Am I understanding that you don't want the target for your interview to know you are coming?)

I have already spoken to the superintendent on the phone and he backed out of the interview because of the pandemic and politics.

So calling every week to get updated sports schedules will NOT help my efforts. (Games are getting cancelled all of the time, so this isn't like the old days were you had a sports schedule set in 2019 and it was good until the end of 2020!)

So it's better for me to get the latest schedule, and devise a gameplan to convince him to meet with me.

Dig?

And this apparent global plot to block me from key websites is not helping... :cool:
 
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So, the school doesn't answer the telephone?
(Am I understanding that you don't want the target for your interview to know you are coming?)

No, I'm not just going to show up.

What I am trying to do is figure out when there is a game coming up where I will be in THAT state, and see if I can call him a few days before, and say, "Hey, I see you are playing Central Catholic next Tuesday... Could we meet up before the game for a quick interview?"
 
Ah, well, OK... (my question wasn't too well thought out, was it?)

So, if you are using your iPhone as a hotspot, that makes me wonder: Can you get to the school's website (or MaxPreps site) through Safari, or some other web browser - on your iPhone? (or a similar 403 error?)
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Ah, well, OK... (my question wasn't too well thought out, was it?)

So, if you are using your iPhone as a hotspot, that makes me wonder: Can you get to the school's website (or MaxPreps site) through Safari, or some other web browser - on your iPhone? (or a similar 403 error?)
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I've actually never surfed the web on my iPhone, but just tried that and it seems to work.

Also, I tried again to access Maxpreps.com in Chrome on my rMBP and today it seems to work. (But if I try to access it in Firefox or Chrome on my old MBP I an geo-blocked still.)

Ironically, the school that I was interested inetrviewing had their state football playoff game just last night, and basketball (oddly enough) doesn't start until later in December, so I just lost my chance to interview this superintendent at a game...

If my old MBP and my rMBP are both tethered to my iPhone's personal hotspot, then don't they have te same IP address?

And why would the high school's website and MaxPreps.com block my old MBP and then my rMBP the other day but not my iPhone's Safari or my rMBP in Chrome today?

All of this is terribly confusing to me consdiering I am not a networking expert!
 
I cannot get into this site using any browser. I am in the UK though. The funky stuff is on their side, not on yours.
 
hmmm... MaxPreps.com is a service provided under the umbrella of CBS/CBS Interactive. I wonder if you have, somehow, violated one of their access controls, or inadvertantly violated any of CBS Acceptable Use policies. (Just a thought...)
Probably over-simplifying here, but your iPhone would be used as a router (that's basically what a hotspot is), with an IP address for the source, and would assign IP addresses to each device that would use that source connection. So, ultimately, each separate device would have an individual IP address. And, I am pretty sure that when you browse directly on your iPhone, the iPhone is also using a different IP address (it would not be using the same IP address range that the hotspot provides, because your iPhone doesn't use the "hotspot" for internet. It does not need that, because it already has a connection to the internet.

So, bottom line, I suspect that the IP range that your hotspot provides seems to be geo-blocked by at least two different web sites.
And, that might lead you in another direction entirely. Contact tech support at your cell phone provider. Ask them about hotspot use, and ask if the cell phone provider might block certain kinds of hotspot connections. It seems possible that you may be (location) blocked by your cell phone provider, maybe some kind of restriction on hotspot use.
And, the website works when browsing from your iPhone, simply because you are not using the hotspot when browsing directly on your iPhone.
Does any of that make sense?
 
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hmmm... MaxPreps.com is a service provided under the umbrella of CBS/CBS Interactive. I wonder if you have, somehow, violated one of their access controls, or inadvertantly violated any of CBS Acceptable Use policies. (Just a thought...)

Other than rarely reading a news article on CBS, I cannot think of how Iw ould ever even interact with them...


Probably over-simplifying here, but your iPhone would be used as a router (that's basically what a hotspot is), with an IP address for the source, and would assign IP addresses to each device that would use that source connection. So, ultimately, each separate device would have an individual IP address. And, I am pretty sure that when you browse directly on your iPhone, the iPhone is also using a different IP address (it would not be using the same IP address range that the hotspot provides, because your iPhone doesn't use the "hotspot" for internet. It does not need that, because it already has a connection to the internet.

If I tether my old MBP and my two rMBP's to my iPhone, I thought that the iPhone serves as the "point-of-contact" with websites, and so, for example, MacRumors would the same IP address for all 3 of my Macs (i.e. the iPhone/"router's" IP address)?

And then like most networks, my 3 Macs would be assigned "internal" IP addresses so my iPhone/router could keep them straight.

But to the outside world, websites should only be seeing ONE IP address which would be that of my iPhone/router.

(I'm 95% certain that is how a traditional home network with a router would work, but again, I'm nt a networking guru!)


So, bottom line, I suspect that the IP range that your hotspot provides seems to be geo-blocked by at least two different web sites.

Well, it just occurred to me that my old MBP has one VPN provider, and my two rMBPs use another VPN provider. Although, as I recall, I was being blocked by MaxPreps one both my old MBP and new one rMPB yesterday or the day before, so that wouldn't explain the IP range and/or the VPN provider. (Also, I switched to a couple of different cities on my old MBP and that didn't help.)



And, that might lead you in another direction entirely. Contact tech support at your cell phone provider. Ask them about hotspot use, and ask if the cell phone provider might block certain kinds of hotspot connections. It seems possible that you may be (location) blocked by your cell phone provider, maybe some kind of restriction on hotspot use.

Why would AT&T block me from accessing a website (i.e. the high school) which is in the same state that I am in now?

(It's not like I'm in the UK trying to access an American site.)

I don't know where MaxPreps is located, but the high school I was being blcoked from is like 50 miles from where I am typing right now...


And, the website works when browsing from your iPhone, simply because you are not using the hotspot when browsing directly on your iPhone.

Does any of that make sense?

So if the site works while browsing on my iPhone, but now while using my hotspot then it could be blocked from AT&T's side, possibly?

Or, is AT&T's mobile IP considered "cleaner" to websites than my AT&T personal hotspot - if you follow me?

Since I missed the last football games of the year, and I won't be here anymore by basketball season, i guess none of this matters anymore. However, I would like to understand WHY all of this happened, and WHAT I could have done to get around it!
 
The crazy part is that us yokels over here can access other american sites. What makes this site so damn special anyway? Have you tried to access this site without a VPN? Are the black choppers circling around you?
 
The crazy part is that us yokels over here can access other american sites.

Strange indeed.


What makes this site so damn special anyway?

It is another mega corproation that has slurped up existence as we know it.

Growing up, high school sport schedules and game results were half of the newspaper on Thursdays and Fridays.

Then the Internet and unbridled capitalism kicked in, and the local newspaeprs disppeared, and part of another part of American culture died... :(

It disgusts me to have to go to some national website to look up local, small-town sports schedules and games ressults, but that is the only way to know what is going on short of calling the school every day/week...


Have you tried to access this site without a VPN?

As mentioned above... Yes. Still had the same issue.


Are the black choppers circling around you?

Not yet... ;-)
 
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