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zehcnassurfero

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I am between the iMac with 7 cores of GPU with 512GB 16GB, ethernet and Touch ID or iMac with 8 cores of GPU 512GB 16GB, ethernet and Touch ID. I don't use anything that I have to use 4 ports, so is it worth to pay more than 100€ (here in Spain) to have 2 ports more and 1 core of GPU more?

Then, maybe I can upgrade up to 1TB in the first choice.
 
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Abazigal

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I don't think there is going to be any noticeable difference between 7 graphic cores or 8.

Ethernet might be the dealbreaker - must you use a wired connection at home or does wireless suffice? Personally for me, I have been running my iMac off wireless since 2011 (partly because I have no ethernet cable in my study room, and my iMac is close enough to my router).

Touch ID is cool, but people are typically working at their desks for long stretches at a time, so saving that few seconds in a day might not be that significant in the larger scope of things. It will be useful if you find yourself dealing with a ton of logins though (eg: website passwords, online payments), going by my experience with my M1 MBA, so it's your call really.

Ports - again, more a personal call that I find it hard to advise on.

Personally, I would pay that extra for the ports and Touch ID. And get 1tb if you really want it. For something you might well be holding on for 4-5 years, I see little reason to scrimp on it.
 

glenthompson

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7 vs 8 - probably never notice. Ports can be a problem if you want to add more devices. I really like having a lot of USB ports. My watch unlocking has been working well enough that the Touch ID is a minor plus. I prefer to use a wired connection anytime I can.
 

Nguyen Duc Hieu

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I doubt that in the 7-core GPU base model, they use the same M1 chip, just disable it to address different market segments.
There are no sense to build extra production lines to manufacture only slightly different CPUs.
 

pmiles

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From what I understand, the number of cores is a product of manufacturing, so the die is set at say 12 cores but only 10 of those test as good, so they sell it as a 10 core machine. I think the 7 core is just a 8 core die that has one bad core on it.

It's easy to think that we should just make massive chips that are super powerful and with hundreds of cores, but that isn't possible. Currently, the single biggest factor preventing us from making bigger and bigger chips are defects in the manufacturing process. Modern chips have billions of transistors and if a single part of one is broken, the whole chip may need to be thrown away. As we increase the size of processors, the chance that a chip will be faulty increases.​
The actual yields that companies get from their fabrication processes are closely held secrets, but anywhere from 70% to 90% is a good estimate. It is common for companies to over-engineer their chips with extra functionality since they know some parts won't work. For example, Intel may design an 8-core chip but only sell it as a 6-core chip since they estimate that one or two cores may be broken. Chips with an unusually low number of defects are usually set aside to be sold at a higher price in a process known as binning.​
 

Apple Knowledge Navigator

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Bit of a silly post really. You should be considering what you need, not other people.

However, for some context; the two ports are Thunderbolt and therefore can be daisy-chained, and the loss of one GPU core is approximately a 10% performance hit based on benchmarks (often much less, or on par with 8-core).
 

zehcnassurfero

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I don't think there is going to be any noticeable difference between 7 graphic cores or 8.

Ethernet might be the dealbreaker - must you use a wired connection at home or does wireless suffice? Personally for me, I have been running my iMac off wireless since 2011 (partly because I have no ethernet cable in my study room, and my iMac is close enough to my router).

Touch ID is cool, but people are typically working at their desks for long stretches at a time, so saving that few seconds in a day might not be that significant in the larger scope of things. It will be useful if you find yourself dealing with a ton of logins though (eg: website passwords, online payments), going by my experience with my M1 MBA, so it's your call really.

Ports - again, more a personal call that I find it hard to advise on.

Personally, I would pay that extra for the ports and Touch ID. And get 1tb if you really want it. For something you might well be holding on for 4-5 years, I see little reason to scrimp on it.
In this case, I can have Touch ID and Ethernet in case I would use in a future for 130€ less. Both are the same specs except 2 ports less and 1 core of GPU less.
 

zehcnassurfero

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From what I understand, the number of cores is a product of manufacturing, so the die is set at say 12 cores but only 10 of those test as good, so they sell it as a 10 core machine. I think the 7 core is just a 8 core die that has one bad core on it.

It's easy to think that we should just make massive chips that are super powerful and with hundreds of cores, but that isn't possible. Currently, the single biggest factor preventing us from making bigger and bigger chips are defects in the manufacturing process. Modern chips have billions of transistors and if a single part of one is broken, the whole chip may need to be thrown away. As we increase the size of processors, the chance that a chip will be faulty increases.​
The actual yields that companies get from their fabrication processes are closely held secrets, but anywhere from 70% to 90% is a good estimate. It is common for companies to over-engineer their chips with extra functionality since they know some parts won't work. For example, Intel may design an 8-core chip but only sell it as a 6-core chip since they estimate that one or two cores may be broken. Chips with an unusually low number of defects are usually set aside to be sold at a higher price in a process known as binning.​
Yes! exactly, I know that its a defect one core GPU on the 7 cores.
 

zehcnassurfero

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7 vs 8 - probably never notice. Ports can be a problem if you want to add more devices. I really like having a lot of USB ports. My watch unlocking has been working well enough that the Touch ID is a minor plus. I prefer to use a wired connection anytime I can.
But the case is in what do you use 4 ports? I don't think that in a near future I will use all of them not even 2 ports. I don't need to connect nothing, Magic Mouse and Magic Keyboard are bluetooth.
 

zehcnassurfero

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Bit of a silly post really. You should be considering what you need, not other people.

However, for some context; the two ports are Thunderbolt and therefore can be daisy-chained, and the loss of one GPU core is approximately a 10% performance hit based on benchmarks (often much less, or on par with 8-core).
I like to see other uses of different people to know if there are some possibilities that I didn't think, its not as silly for me.

And I want to know what people think about it.
 

svish

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Having TouchID is good. With 2 ports only, USB hub may be required in the future if you add more external drives
 

Yebubbleman

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I am between the iMac with 7 cores of GPU with 512GB 16GB, ethernet and Touch ID or iMac with 8 cores of GPU 512GB 16GB, ethernet and Touch ID. I don't use anything that I have to use 4 ports, so is it worth to pay more than 100€ (here in Spain) to have 2 ports more and 1 core of GPU more?

Then, maybe I can upgrade up to 1TB in the first choice.
The one GPU core difference is likely minor, especially if your computing needs weren't all that crazy to begin with. However, more USB ports (it is a desktop, after all) and included Ethernet are what would sway me. I'd consider the 2-port 7-GPU core model in specific use cases wherein the two ports were perfectly sufficient (and all other upgrades [such as the Touch ID keyboard, Gigabit Ethernet, storage up to 1TB, and 16GB of RAM] were either unnecessary or tacked on during the ordering process), such as for kiosks or low end desktop scenarios (such as at an Office or for a kid's first computer). But for general all-around personal computing, the 8-GPU-Core models with four ports are a much better value. That or a Mac mini.
 

glenthompson

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But the case is in what do you use 4 ports? I don't think that in a near future I will use all of them not even 2 ports. I don't need to connect nothing, Magic Mouse and Magic Keyboard are bluetooth.
In the case of my current MacBook Air I have the following directly attached: Thunderbolt Display, ScanSnap S1500, Dymo label printer, SSD with CCC clone, and wired keyboard with numeric pad. When my iMac arrives, most of those items will still be attached.
 
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