Fans running even while asleep?

[boynigel]

I have a new Studio M1 Max. I've been reading on the forums that it's best not to shut them down after each use, but rather, put them to sleep. The thing w/that is some people have commented that the fans continue to run while in sleep mode and that concerns me in the sense that my new computer becomes a 24/7 vacuum, sucking in dust around the clock. These aren't the easiest things to take apart to blow the dust out of. Maybe my hearing is bad, but I can barely hear a fan running while the computer is on, let alone when it's asleep. Did I read bad info?

 

[jav6454]

Fans should not be running if the Studio is asleep. There is next to 0W power draw on the CPU for fans to even be on.

 

[BanditoB]

The fans do not run when the Studio is actually asleep. If they are running, that's an indication that it's not actually sleeping. Not actually sleeping is a common issue with the Studio as well as other M-series Macs. Just look for the threads here or in the Studio forum regarding Sleep.

 

[boynigel]

The fans do not run when the Studio is actually asleep. If they are running, that's an indication that it's not actually sleeping. Not actually sleeping is a common issue with the Studio as well as other M-series Macs. Just look for the threads here or in the Studio forum regarding Sleep.

so what's the fix, or does there even need to be one? maybe just wait for a fix via an update?

 

[ArrayDecay]

so what's the fix, or does there even need to be one? maybe just wait for a fix via an update?

If you're pushing the CPU hard the fans might run until the CPU cools down, even after you put it to sleep.

 

[MacCheetah3]

I can’t verify if the fan turns off when the unit is asleep. My mini’s fan runs so slow 99.9% of its use that it’s even difficult to tell when the unit is in operation.

Nonetheless:

I have a new Studio M1 Max. I've been reading on the forums that it's best not to shut them down after each use, but rather, put them to sleep.

This is not true.

From what I’ve read here on MR (people admitting), many users do not shut down or reboot primarily because they’re too lazy/impatient to relaunch apps and the hundreds of browser tabs they supposedly use — and not leaving them open instead of making them bookmarks. 😉🤪

“Fight me Internet” - Steve Burke (GN)

Any who… Sleep or shut down your Mac as preferred/desired/needed.

 

[boynigel]

I can’t verify if the fan turns off when the unit is asleep. My mini’s fan runs so slow 99.9% of its use that it’s even difficult to tell when the unit is in operation.

Nonetheless:

This is not true.

From what I’ve read here on MR (people admitting), many users do not shut down or reboot primarily because they’re too lazy/impatient to relaunch apps and the hundreds of browser tabs they supposedly use — and not leaving them open instead of making them bookmarks. 😉🤪

“Fight me Internet” - Steve Burke (GN)

Any who… Sleep or shut down your Mac as preferred/desired/needed.

not arguing that but I've heard from more knowledgeable people than me that every startup puts stress on components that you normally wouldn't subject your computer to if you were to just wake it from sleep mode. I've heard both Mac and PC guys say this for the last 20 years now.

 

[MacCheetah3]

I've heard from more knowledgeable people than me that every startup puts stress on components that you normally wouldn't subject your computer to if you were to just wake it from sleep mode. I've heard both Mac and PC guys say this for the last 20 years now.

And I do not deny the evidence of such. For example:

Additionally, I will be completely forthcoming and admit to having no electrical engineering education.

However:

• The voltages witnessed are not out of spec.
• The voltage levels exhibited during a “cold” boot are also applied during normal operation (e.g. Turbo Boost period).
• Unless mods or settings notably beyond spec are applied, a chip failure is far more likely to be from a manufacturing defect, poor soldering to the substrate/PCB, improper cooling system mounting, defective/damaged power delivery system.
— Coincidentally, this recent video is relevant:

Oh, and these industry wide problems, which also affected families/series/periods of Macs:

Ask Hackaday: Experiences With Capacitor Failure

Regular readers of Hackaday are intimately knowledgeable about old electronics, and whether it’s about that old oscilloscope sitting in the pile of other oscilloscopes, or the very rare vinta…

hackaday.com

https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/forums/gaming-pcs/8/119146/nvidia-need-to-sort-out-bga-issues-nvidia-bga-chip/

I was a computer technician for several years and directly dealt with these hardware failures. Another common flaw, not related to chips/ICs, was barrel plug connectors/ports (e.g. laptop power) design/implementation. Many barrel plugs had zero reinforcement, only held in place by the single solder joint supplying the center pin, plus thin plastic making up the surround/housing.

Last but not least:

• Not ideal is much different than “the sky is falling.” For example, PC enthusiasts who claim their PC will catch ablaze or melt into a pool of silicon if the CPU or GPU ever reaches 90-degrees for even a moment — my fitting exaggeration of their claims. Again, extremely unlikely as the condition is within expected and manageable parameters. But I do accept anything can happen.

Basically, if your Mac does fail, the cause is extremely improbable to be related to (properly) shutting down and booting the system even several times a day.

I repeat:

Sleep or shut down your Mac as preferred/desired/needed.

 

[boynigel]

And I do not deny the evidence of such. For example:

Additionally, I will be completely forthcoming and admit to having no electrical engineering education.

However:

• The voltages witnessed are not out of spec.
• The voltage levels exhibited during a “cold” boot are also applied during normal operation (e.g. Turbo Boost period).
• Unless mods or settings notably beyond spec are applied, a chip failure is far more likely to be from a manufacturing defect, poor soldering to the substrate/PCB, improper cooling system mounting, defective/damaged power delivery system.
— Coincidentally, this recent video is relevant:

Oh, and these industry wide problems, which also affected families/series/periods of Macs:

Ask Hackaday: Experiences With Capacitor Failure

Regular readers of Hackaday are intimately knowledgeable about old electronics, and whether it’s about that old oscilloscope sitting in the pile of other oscilloscopes, or the very rare vinta…

hackaday.com

https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/forums/gaming-pcs/8/119146/nvidia-need-to-sort-out-bga-issues-nvidia-bga-chip/

I was a computer technician for several years and directly dealt with these hardware failures. Another common flaw, not related to chips/ICs, was barrel plug connectors/ports (e.g. laptop power) design/implementation. Many barrel plugs had zero reinforcement, only held in place by the single solder joint supplying the center pin, plus thin plastic making up the surround/housing.

Last but not least:

• Not ideal is much different than “the sky is falling.” For example, PC enthusiasts who claim their PC will catch ablaze or melt into a pool of silicon if the CPU or GPU ever reaches 90-degrees for even a moment — my fitting exaggeration of their claims. Again, extremely unlikely as the condition is within expected and manageable parameters. But I do accept anything can happen.

Basically, if your Mac does fail, the cause is extremely improbable to be related to (properly) shutting down and booting the system even several times a day.

I repeat:

good info. thanks