I have a d200 and the oh so hard to find 18-200VR 3.5-5.6 lens (which i got new 2 weeks ago for only $729 for the lens!!! Sold out already.. sorry).
Anyways, I'm shooting a lot stuff for bands in clubs. The clubs are poorly lit at best, and I do find that the VR allows me to get some pretty usable photos with shutter speeds even as slow as 1/10 of a second (if the band stands there like zombies), or around 1/25 sec if they are moving around a bit. Not too bad. Still, it's hard as hell to get a REALLY good shot. I know that one of the major reasons that the bands in Rolling Stone looks so good live is that they have lights on stage which make it closer to daylight than anything else. In short, no matter what, if something is moving fast in the dark then it's hard to shoot well.
I've tried various flash techniques, and I'm not able to get much going well on the flash side of things. I also have the SB-600 speedlight, and it's ok when bounced from the ceiling, but still not as good generally as the shots with the available lighting only for how natural it looks. Using it as a fill helps a bit, but still has the chance of flattening out the image too much. Still working with it. Working now with using the onboard flash for a fill, and the SB-600 as a backlight. Still, not the best results. I'm trying to get better at this part however.
One thing i'm wondering is if getting a significantly faster lens will help a lot? I'm able to get pretty close up when needed, and they bands allow me side/back stage so i can shoot from a lot of different angles.
I don't really want an even narrower field of depth, but yet i need more light into the lens. Does the VR pretty much give me "as good as it's going to get" without relying more on the flash? It's nearly impossible to get a good picture of the drummer. I think I might start throwing the SB-600 back there near the drummer in wireless mode with a diffuser over it.
I was thinking of trying to find a 1.4 or 1.8 50mm lens for my D200. Yes, i know that it will be more like a 83.33mm lens or whatever, but that's fine with me. I'm just thinking that more light would be really nice as a possibility (and I know that shooting at the minimum aperture doesn't always have the sharpest image, but neither does shooting a fast object at 1/20th of a second). Main question being if the VR basically really does give you that 4 stops faster (in which case.. it would have to be a hell of a fast piece of glass to beat the VR at f/3.5), and if so then, do i still need a fast prime lens?
Any suggestions for ones that would work well with the features of the D200 (autofocus and all, as these guys often move way too fast to get a clear focus and still shoot a lot)?
OR should i just get another SB-600 (or another two...), and a few diffusers (maybe with some color filters so i can make the flashes seem more like the stage lights?)
And as a side note, I'm also starting to do some wedding work. I figure another lens couldn't hurt, esp in low light wedding situations.
Thanks in advance.
EDIT: Also, should I even think of using a tripod/monopod in such an an environment? I'm not sure it will help much since, well... it's more about the objects moving than me i think most of the time. I've tried mirrorlock up however and that helps a bit.. probably not best to do that for 400 shots in a row however. Also, then I can't use the rapid fire modes.
And is there a universal colour temperature for stage lighting? Even ****** stage lighting? I'd shoot RAW, but i need a few more memory cards to get through 5 bands in a night with raw...
Anyways, I'm shooting a lot stuff for bands in clubs. The clubs are poorly lit at best, and I do find that the VR allows me to get some pretty usable photos with shutter speeds even as slow as 1/10 of a second (if the band stands there like zombies), or around 1/25 sec if they are moving around a bit. Not too bad. Still, it's hard as hell to get a REALLY good shot. I know that one of the major reasons that the bands in Rolling Stone looks so good live is that they have lights on stage which make it closer to daylight than anything else. In short, no matter what, if something is moving fast in the dark then it's hard to shoot well.
I've tried various flash techniques, and I'm not able to get much going well on the flash side of things. I also have the SB-600 speedlight, and it's ok when bounced from the ceiling, but still not as good generally as the shots with the available lighting only for how natural it looks. Using it as a fill helps a bit, but still has the chance of flattening out the image too much. Still working with it. Working now with using the onboard flash for a fill, and the SB-600 as a backlight. Still, not the best results. I'm trying to get better at this part however.
One thing i'm wondering is if getting a significantly faster lens will help a lot? I'm able to get pretty close up when needed, and they bands allow me side/back stage so i can shoot from a lot of different angles.
I don't really want an even narrower field of depth, but yet i need more light into the lens. Does the VR pretty much give me "as good as it's going to get" without relying more on the flash? It's nearly impossible to get a good picture of the drummer. I think I might start throwing the SB-600 back there near the drummer in wireless mode with a diffuser over it.
I was thinking of trying to find a 1.4 or 1.8 50mm lens for my D200. Yes, i know that it will be more like a 83.33mm lens or whatever, but that's fine with me. I'm just thinking that more light would be really nice as a possibility (and I know that shooting at the minimum aperture doesn't always have the sharpest image, but neither does shooting a fast object at 1/20th of a second). Main question being if the VR basically really does give you that 4 stops faster (in which case.. it would have to be a hell of a fast piece of glass to beat the VR at f/3.5), and if so then, do i still need a fast prime lens?
Any suggestions for ones that would work well with the features of the D200 (autofocus and all, as these guys often move way too fast to get a clear focus and still shoot a lot)?
OR should i just get another SB-600 (or another two...), and a few diffusers (maybe with some color filters so i can make the flashes seem more like the stage lights?)
And as a side note, I'm also starting to do some wedding work. I figure another lens couldn't hurt, esp in low light wedding situations.
Thanks in advance.
EDIT: Also, should I even think of using a tripod/monopod in such an an environment? I'm not sure it will help much since, well... it's more about the objects moving than me i think most of the time. I've tried mirrorlock up however and that helps a bit.. probably not best to do that for 400 shots in a row however. Also, then I can't use the rapid fire modes.
And is there a universal colour temperature for stage lighting? Even ****** stage lighting? I'd shoot RAW, but i need a few more memory cards to get through 5 bands in a night with raw...