Feature stuffing may never stop

[vagos]

I get the feeling each new macos release brings nothing new to the table and this includes sonoma. The mac experience has remained the same over the last few years. Apple keeps adding new features all the time to obsolete older computers and drive new sales.

However users really need a year of no new features but simply bug fixes. The quality needs to improve.
I'd love to see a tick-tock approach where on one year we get new features and the other we get bug fixes and polishing. This is what we got into macos for, quality.

Anybody else not hot for sonoma ?

 

[fisherking]

personally, i don't care about most of the new features each year, but i care deeply about what happens under-the-hood.

i care about how fast, sturdy, functional the OS is. i care about how well my apps run. and in these respects, sonoma (even in it's beta stages) seems pretty great; faster, and more stable than ventura.

just because you don't see change doesn't mean it's not there. and if someone loves, for example, stage manager, that's great (for me, the best thing in recent years is universal control).

and apple... is a corporation. it's their job to make money, which means... new macs etc. personally, overall, i think they're doing great; my M2 air and M2 pro mini are the best macs i've ever owned (and i've owned many).

 

[DHagan4755]

I get the feeling each new macos release brings nothing new to the table and this includes sonoma.

Aside from the aforementioned under the hood speed optimizations (which are always greatly welcomed), there are several important new features that are game changers for me — no pun intended.

Apple finally making macOS have the native ability to turn web pages into apps. "Sure," you say, "Chrome & ever other browser has been doing this for years." But — wait! The problem with Chromium "PWA" apps is that they consume more battery & memory than Safari tabs do. Besides that you have to keep the damn web browser open or else they won't work. And lest we forget those Chromium-based Electron apps like Spotify, Discord, Slack, TradingView, et al.

The game mode & game porting features could be very consequential for the Mac. And Apple will likely improve it. I'm not a gamer but this very under the radar feature is more important than it appears now. Many people lament the loss of Boot Camp but if Apple creates a viable streamlined pathway for developers to port Windows apps to the Mac & they run as good or better on Apple silicon — wow!

 

[eicca]

The more features they add, the more inconvenient it is for anyone who wants to extricate themselves from the ecosystem.

I would dearly love to switch to Linux and Fairphone. But the little conveniences of Apple keep me tied in despite the declining quality control, apathetic UX design, and atrocious anti-consumer hardware design.

Quite brilliant, really.

 

[NEPOBABY]

I get the feeling each new macos release brings nothing new to the table and this includes sonoma. The mac experience has remained the same over the last few years. Apple keeps adding new features all the time to obsolete older computers and drive new sales.

However users really need a year of no new features but simply bug fixes. The quality needs to improve.
I'd love to see a tick-tock approach where on one year we get new features and the other we get bug fixes and polishing. This is what we got into macos for, quality.

Anybody else not hot for sonoma ?

You don't need to use the new features. Unlike on Windows most new macOS features consume no resources and are easily avoided. You can use a modern macOS exactly like you used macOS over a decade ago.

 

[NEPOBABY]

The more features they add, the more inconvenient it is for anyone who wants to extricate themselves from the ecosystem.

I would dearly love to switch to Linux and Fairphone. But the little conveniences of Apple keep me tied in despite the declining quality control, apathetic UX design, and atrocious anti-consumer hardware design.

Quite brilliant, really.

That's funny. I'll take it as satire, especially if you believe the Fairphone is fair or environmentally friendly.

 

[eicca]

That's funny. I'll take it as satire, especially if you believe the Fairphone is fair or environmentally friendly.

I believe I can fix it if it breaks.

 

[NEPOBABY]

I believe I can fix it if it breaks.

We have had repairable phones for many years. We have had upgradable and repairable PCs for much longer. What we see is that users throw old parts in the regular trash or in the streets. This is hell for the environment and hell for recycling.

You can tell all these customers to take the old parts for recycling and only a few of them do it because people are lazy dirty trash themselves. The majority cannot be trusted to recycle or clean after themselves.

The world is being flooded with old batteries and trash that is destroying the rivers and oceans.

The cleanest and most environmentally sound solution is an all-in-one device with a good warranty that can be taken back to the device maker for FULL recycling. No small parts littered throughout cities or general landfills. Everything should go back to the device maker, they should be fully responsible, and they should upgrade your device to a new device.

Simple.

Anyone offering an alternative solution is simply marketing to gullible people who don't understand they are being conned by fly-by-night companies.

 

[eicca]

We have had repairable phones for many years. We have had upgradable and repairable PCs for much longer. What we see is that users throw old parts in the regular trash or in the streets. This is hell for the environment and hell for recycling.

You can tell all these customers to take the old parts for recycling and only a few of them do it because people are lazy dirty trash themselves. The majority cannot be trusted to recycle or clean after themselves.

The world is being flooded with old batteries and trash that is destroying the rivers and oceans.

The cleanest and most environmentally sound solution is an all-in-one device with a good warranty that can be taken back to the device maker for FULL recycling. No small parts littered throughout cities or general landfills. Everything should go back to the device maker, they should be fully responsible, and they should upgrade your device to a new device.

Simple.

Anyone offering an alternative solution is simply marketing to gullible people who don't understand they are being conned by fly-by-night companies.

That’s lovely. It’s still more affordable for me to fix a Fairphone than an iPhone.

 

[glhiii]

My wife uses Snow Leopard on a 2010 MacBook Air. Fundamentally, not much has changed for basic things, though Snow Leopard was before iCloud so that can be an issue. The 2010 MBA can be updated to High Sierra (she doesn't like the finder desktop on that one) and then it works with just about everything. I use Ventura on an M1 16" MacBook Pro and just looked at what would change in Sonoma -- didn't look like anything that would make a difference for me. I agree it would be good if Apple would pay more attention to bugs in MacOS and less to features that don't make much difference.

 

[fisherking]

My wife uses Snow Leopard on a 2010 MacBook Air. Fundamentally, not much has changed for basic things, though Snow Leopard was before iCloud so that can be an issue. The 2010 MBA can be updated to High Sierra (she doesn't like the finder desktop on that one) and then it works with just about everything. I use Ventura on an M1 16" MacBook Pro and just looked at what would change in Sonoma -- didn't look like anything that would make a difference for me. I agree it would be good if Apple would pay more attention to bugs in MacOS and less to features that don't make much difference.

you may have missed post #2. what happens under-the-hood should be more important than new features... (at least, i think so).

 

[symphony]

I get the feeling each new macos release brings nothing new to the table and this includes sonoma. The mac experience has remained the same over the last few years. Apple keeps adding new features all the time to obsolete older computers and drive new sales.

However users really need a year of no new features but simply bug fixes. The quality needs to improve.
I'd love to see a tick-tock approach where on one year we get new features and the other we get bug fixes and polishing. This is what we got into macos for, quality.

Anybody else not hot for sonoma ?

Then just don't update every second year, maybe just update to x.5.1. This thread reads like fear of FOMO. FOFOMO

 

[dmccloud]

I get the feeling each new macos release brings nothing new to the table and this includes sonoma. The mac experience has remained the same over the last few years. Apple keeps adding new features all the time to obsolete older computers and drive new sales.

However users really need a year of no new features but simply bug fixes. The quality needs to improve.
I'd love to see a tick-tock approach where on one year we get new features and the other we get bug fixes and polishing. This is what we got into macos for, quality.

Anybody else not hot for sonoma ?

Am I the only one seeing the clear contradiction here? How can each MacOS bring nothing new to the table if new features keep getting added to the same OS?