iPhone Few jailbreak questions for iPhones.

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1) Can you still use iCloud with a jailbroken iPhone to backup and sync various things (such as photos (PhotoStream), documents, app data backups, complete backups, etc)?

1.2) I understand that the procedure to jailbreak is: backup -> jailbreak. Afterwards, can I continue regular backups using iTunes / iCloud, via both physical hard-wire cable connection and wireless WiFi connection?

1.3) I understand the procedure to un-jailbreak is: restore from backup. What backup? The original backup BEFORE the jailbreak? If so, what about all the changes done to the phone between the jailbreak and the time you want to restore (such as Apple App Store app purchases/downloads, settings, iMessages, game progresses, etc.)?
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2) Can you still purchase, and use purchased, apps, videos, music, etc. from Apple Store?

Thank you.

 

[petrucci666]

1) Can you still use iCloud with a jailbroken iPhone to backup and sync various things (such as photos (PhotoStream), documents, app data backups, complete backups, etc)?

1.2) I understand that the procedure to jailbreak is: backup -> jailbreak. Afterwards, can I continue regular backups using iTunes / iCloud, via both physical hard-wire cable connection and wireless WiFi connection?

1.3) I understand the procedure to un-jailbreak is: restore from backup. What backup? The original backup BEFORE the jailbreak? If so, what about all the changes done to the phone between the jailbreak and the time you want to restore (such as Apple App Store app purchases/downloads, settings, iMessages, game progresses, etc.)?
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2) Can you still purchase, and use purchased, apps, videos, music, etc. from Apple Store?

Thank you.

1.) Yes.

1.2) Yes.

1.3) Restore fresh in iTunes. If you later restore from backup you'll still get your normal apps that were backed up again, some jailbreak things will still be in the backup, but the phone won't be re-jailbroken. To re-jailbreak, you'll have to use evasi0n (I presume) to get Cydia on your phone.

2.) Yes.


The phone still functions as it normally would, except you can add extra things through Cydia. Things that normally aren't possible.

But the core functionality of the phone is still there - iTunes, Apps, Music etc.

 

[simple23]

1.) Yes.

1.2) Yes.

1.3) Restore fresh in iTunes. If you later restore from backup you'll still get your normal apps that were backed up again, some jailbreak things will still be in the backup, but the phone won't be re-jailbroken. To re-jailbreak, you'll have to use evasi0n (I presume) to get Cydia on your phone.

2.) Yes.


The phone still functions as it normally would, except you can add extra things through Cydia. Things that normally aren't possible.

But the core functionality of the phone is still there - iTunes, Apps, Music etc.

Thanks for the info as it is very helpful to a first time jber.

I just want to confirm before I turn on iCloud again to do a backup. I did a backup before the jailbreak occurred and now that the phone is jailbroken, it's safe to continue using iCloud as a backup?

If I ever need to do a restore, the backup just restores everything (pictures, texts, contacts) without Cydia and all the tweaks/apps correct?

Thanks again!

 

[eyoungren]

Your iCloud backup will backup everything you specify on the iPhone to be backed up. Since JB apps can't be selected to back up, those won't be backed up (although their data might). To back those up you'll need a Cydia supplied pkg backup app or tweak.

Your phone functions exactly the same as before. All your contacts, phone history, SMS, email, photos, calendars, all your data (in App store apps), etc will be backed up to iCloud. iCloud simply ignores anything that it doesn't recognize as coming from Apple.

That means when you restore from an iCloud backup, none of the system data that created the jailbreak will come back over. Some bits and pieces might, which could cause problems. But this is why if you restore you have to rejailbreak. That's also why a restore as new wipes out a jailbreak and makes it as if it never happened. Which is convenient if you need to take your iPhone in for service.

This is the downside of jailbreaking. While doing this gives us greater access and control of our iPhones, updating and/or restoring is more difficult.

 

[simple23]

Your iCloud backup will backup everything you specify on the iPhone to be backed up. Since JB apps can't be selected to back up, those won't be backed up (although their data might). To back those up you'll need a Cydia supplied pkg backup app or tweak.

Your phone functions exactly the same as before. All your contacts, phone history, SMS, email, photos, calendars, all your data (in App store apps), etc will be backed up to iCloud. iCloud simply ignores anything that it doesn't recognize as coming from Apple.

That means when you restore from an iCloud backup, none of the system data that created the jailbreak will come back over. Some bits and pieces might, which could cause problems. But this is why if you restore you have to rejailbreak. That's also why a restore as new wipes out a jailbreak and makes it as if it never happened. Which is convenient if you need to take your iPhone in for service.

This is the downside of jailbreaking. While doing this gives us greater access and control of our iPhones, updating and/or restoring is more difficult.

Thank you very much for this! As a first timer, I'm playing catch up with all these articles, questions, etc.

Great to see very helpful members here who take the time to answer questions that have been asked thousands of times.

Thanks again!

 

[BumpyFlatline]

Thank you very much for this! As a first timer, I'm playing catch up with all these articles, questions, etc.

Great to see very helpful members here who take the time to answer questions that have been asked thousands of times.

Thanks again!

By far the best and most enjoyable jailbreak forum on the Internet. So many great and active members! And yes, use iCloud as freely as you want while jailbroken. I've been using iCloud since its inception and I've also been jail broken for that entire time. Have fun!

This forum is a tremendous resource. Odds are if you search for your question using the forun's search feature, you'll find your answer. If not, start a thread and we'll all be here to help!

 

[viperGTS]

By far the best and most enjoyable jailbreak forum on the Internet. So many great and active members! And yes, use iCloud as freely as you want while jailbroken. I've been using iCloud since its inception and I've also been jail broken for that entire time. Have fun!

This forum is a tremendous resource. Odds are if you search for your question using the forun's search feature, you'll find your answer. If not, start a thread and we'll all be here to help!

So if I backup to iCloud, I don't have to worry about jailbreak data remaining? I always avoid iCloud when jailbroken because of this.

 

[simple23]

By far the best and most enjoyable jailbreak forum on the Internet. So many great and active members! And yes, use iCloud as freely as you want while jailbroken. I've been using iCloud since its inception and I've also been jail broken for that entire time. Have fun!

This forum is a tremendous resource. Odds are if you search for your question using the forun's search feature, you'll find your answer. If not, start a thread and we'll all be here to help!

Ah yes. That's how I found this post because I know somewhere around the world someone has the same question I have regarding iCloud, especially for first timers.

I've been surfing here for years now and I finally decided to make an account. Love the humor that goes around. But now that I'm on the "dark side," this is an exciting, discovery phase.

Thanks!

 

[eyoungren]

Thank you very much for this! As a first timer, I'm playing catch up with all these articles, questions, etc.

Great to see very helpful members here who take the time to answer questions that have been asked thousands of times.

Thanks again!

You're very welcome. My very first jailbreak was with an iPhone 3GS and while it wasn't so long ago, I wasn't a member here then and consequently walked right into all the problems, screwups and bugs that can happen when you don't know anything. Thankfully, this was on a spare, unactivated phone that I was not using as my main phone.

Things are a lot different now. The JBs are way easier and friendlier and I'm a member of this forum. MacRumors is great and so are the helpful people here.

 

[BumpyFlatline]

So if I backup to iCloud, I don't have to worry about jailbreak data remaining? I always avoid iCloud when jailbroken because of this.

I don't know how to answer that confidently. I only use iCloud to backup my contacts and calendar entries. I don't bother backing up my pics. Depending on how many I'm trying to transfer to my computer, I'll use either Dropbox's automatic backup camera roll feature or ill just read my phone the old fashion like a typical digital camera and plug it in to my computer via USB and read it like an external drive. I'll just copy everything to my computer. So easy haha. For app data like game saves, I use AppBackup. I have game saves from years ago haha.

You'll figure out what works best for you. Abe it's just iCloud. Or maybe it's iTunes. PKGBackup, OpenBackup, and iBye all are solid backup options. So as you learn you'll figure it out. I've been doing my backup and restores this way for years now for the most part and I always DFU Restore as New whenever I install a firmware.

 

[eyoungren]

I don't know how to answer that confidently. I only use iCloud to backup my contacts and calendar entries. I don't bother backing up my pics. Depending on how many I'm trying to transfer to my computer, I'll use either Dropbox's automatic backup camera roll feature or ill just read my phone the old fashion like a typical digital camera and plug it in to my computer via USB and read it like an external drive. I'll just copy everything to my computer. So easy haha. For app data like game saves, I use AppBackup. I have game saves from years ago haha.

You'll figure out what works best for you. Abe it's just iCloud. Or maybe it's iTunes. PKGBackup, OpenBackup, and iBye all are solid backup options. So as you learn you'll figure it out. I've been doing my backup and restores this way for years now for the most part and I always DFU Restore as New whenever I install a firmware.

I'm backing up virtually everything to iCloud, except for a few things. So far, no issues.

I keep my photos on my iPhone. Anything I REALLY want to keep I'll pull off. Consequently, if I lost them I wouldn't cry about it, but that hasn't happened.

 

[BumpyFlatline]

I'm backing up virtually everything to iCloud, except for a few things. So far, no issues.

I keep my photos on my iPhone. Anything I REALLY want to keep I'll pull off. Consequently, if I lost them I wouldn't cry about it, but that hasn't happened.

I'm with you on that. I've never had problems with iCloud and jailbreaking although like I was saying, I have dramatically cut back on what I use iCloud for. I make sure to pull the important pics and delete the useless.

 

[simple23]

I don't know how to answer that confidently. I only use iCloud to backup my contacts and calendar entries. I don't bother backing up my pics. Depending on how many I'm trying to transfer to my computer, I'll use either Dropbox's automatic backup camera roll feature or ill just read my phone the old fashion like a typical digital camera and plug it in to my computer via USB and read it like an external drive. I'll just copy everything to my computer. So easy haha. For app data like game saves, I use AppBackup. I have game saves from years ago haha.

You'll figure out what works best for you. Abe it's just iCloud. Or maybe it's iTunes. PKGBackup, OpenBackup, and iBye all are solid backup options. So as you learn you'll figure it out. I've been doing my backup and restores this way for years now for the most part and I always DFU Restore as New whenever I install a firmware.

This may be another question that has been asked a lot but I noticed when I installed OpenBackup, it also looked like it installed OpenSSH (it was listed when the app was being installed). I've read about the dangers of using SSH if you don't know what you're doing.

My question is, do I have to go through the works to change the root PW as OpenSSH was installed? I read that must be done if you are using OpenSSH for obvious reasons of protecting your device.

Thanks in advance!

 

[eyoungren]

This may be another question that has been asked a lot but I noticed when I installed OpenBackup, it also looked like it installed OpenSSH (it was listed when the app was being installed). I've read about the dangers of using SSH if you don't know what you're doing.

My question is, do I have to go through the works to change the root PW as OpenSSH was installed? I read that must be done if you are using OpenSSH for obvious reasons of protecting your device.

Thanks in advance!

It does not HAVE to be done, but it's very STRONGLY advised. Notice my emphasis on strongly.

The default password is alpine. I know that, most everyone else here knows that. A hacker will most definetely know that. If you leave it as the default password than God help you if someone tries to SSH in using the default passwords.

Do a Google search for iPhone change+SSH+root+password. Almost any instructions you'll find through that will show you how to do it.

Think of it as not changing the password to your router. If someone is on your network and knows the default password to the router, your network is compromised. Same concept here.

 

[BumpyFlatline]

This may be another question that has been asked a lot but I noticed when I installed OpenBackup, it also looked like it installed OpenSSH (it was listed when the app was being installed). I've read about the dangers of using SSH if you don't know what you're doing.

My question is, do I have to go through the works to change the root PW as OpenSSH was installed? I read that must be done if you are using OpenSSH for obvious reasons of protecting your device.

Thanks in advance!

Yes if you install OpenSSH, you really should change the password. I like to change both the root and mobile passwords. It's very easily done with MobileTerminal. If you open Cydia and go the the homepage you'll see a tab called "Root Password How-To". Tap on that and on the next page, scroll down to Option C. These are the instructions on how to change the root (aka "su") password along with the mobile password. It's extremely simple.

Do you use NCSettings? If so, after you install OpenSSH, you'll notice that NcSettings has a new OpenSSH toggle. You might have to go into the ncsettings settings page and drag the toggle from on to off and then back on in order to make it appear in your notification center. Or you can reboot your phone and it'll appear. I find it easier to just go into settings and quickly disable and then re-enable the toggle to make it appear. I personally like to use this toggle and I was really excited when the NcSettings dev finally added it to his tweak. For me, I put it as the very last toggle since I use it the least. This toggle allows you to turn on and off OpenSSH. So if you decide to keep OpenSSH installed on your device, you can use NcSettings to control whether it is on or off. But either way, definitely change those passwords!

 

[simple23]

It does not HAVE to be done, but it's very STRONGLY advised. Notice my emphasis on strongly.

The default password is alpine. I know that, most everyone else here knows that. A hacker will most definetely know that. If you leave it as the default password than God help you if someone tries to SSH in using the default passwords.

Do a Google search for iPhone change+SSH+root+password. Almost any instructions you'll find through that will show you how to do it.

Think of it as not changing the password to your router. If someone is on your network and knows the default password to the router, your network is compromised. Same concept here.

Thanks for the quick replies gentlemen.

I don't think my question was clear enough. I did not install OpenSSH. When I installed OpenBackup, I think I saw OpenSSH being apart of the installation (please correct me if I am wrong). Does this mean OpenSSH was in fact installed on my device as well even though I do not have any icons from OpenSSH?

Thanks in advance!

 

[eyoungren]

Thanks for the quick replies gentlemen.

I don't think my question was clear enough. I did not install OpenSSH. When I installed OpenBackup, I think I saw OpenSSH being apart of the installation (please correct me if I am wrong). Does this mean OpenSSH was in fact installed on my device as well even though I do not have any icons from OpenSSH?

Thanks in advance!

There are no icons for SSH per se, as in what you'd find for an app. It's a protocol that gets installed and then enabled. Some Cydia packages have dependencies on other things. So, if you see that in the list, then yes, it's being installed as it's a dependency for OpenBackup. It's necessary for it to be installed for OpenBackup to work (in this case) so OpenBackup takes care of that for you and automatically installs it. Versus installing only itself and then making you install OpenSSH so that OpenBackup will work.

So, yes. OpenSSH was installed. And OpenBackup will use it to do it's job. Which means that vulnerability is there, whether you asked for it or not.

The button Bumpy is talking about only pops up if OpenSSH is installed and you have NCSettings installed. It thus simply becomes a switch in NCSettings to allow you to enable/disable SSH on the fly.

 

[simple23]

There are no icons for SSH per se, as in what you'd find for an app. It's a protocol that gets installed and then enabled. Some Cydia packages have dependencies on other things. So, if you see that in the list, then yes, it's being installed as it's a dependency for OpenBackup. It's necessary for it to be installed for OpenBackup to work (in this case) so OpenBackup takes care of that for you and automatically installs it. Versus installing only itself and then making you install OpenSSH so that OpenBackup will work.

So, yes. OpenSSH was installed. And OpenBackup will use it to do it's job. Which means that vulnerability is there, whether you asked for it or not.

The button Bumpy is talking about only pops up if OpenSSH is installed and you have NCSettings installed. It thus simply becomes a switch in NCSettings to allow you to enable/disable SSH on the fly.

Thanks again for the help! I've changed password!

I appreciate it!