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gradi

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I am on an M1 Mac Mini 16gb/512gb using 12.5.1.

I have noticed something strange with the way Finder is working. I first noticed it yesterday.

I have a bunch of files in a folder. Finder using the List view all is fine. I can choose None, Name, Date Modified, Date Added, etc. and see all the files. If I change to Icons view though only None, Name, and Tags will show all the files. Choosing Date Modified, Date Added, etc. will only show a very small number of files.

I did a force quit, but that did not fix the problem. I also rebooted.

Any ideas?
 

Starfia

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I'm not sure exactly what you're seeing. Off the top of my head, is it possible "Use Groups" is selected, sorting large groups of icons into horizontal rows?

(With the Finder active, check on "View > Use Groups".)
 

gradi

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Inside the Finder window with the icons after I scroll down to about the third row of icons there is a tiny, almost unreadable (because it is light gray against the white background) message that says Show All (30). It turns out I can click on it and now I can see some more file icons. Further down I see another message that says Show All (139) and further down there is another one that says Show All (52).

I just want to always see all my file icons without all this hassle. I looked at View > Show View Options, but nothing there. I also looked at Finder > Preferences.

I turn off View > Use Groups, but that also automatically changes Date Added to None. It seems like maybe what I need is a way to choose Icons and Date Added (or Date Modified, etc.) with Use Groups turned off, but I cannot find a way to do that.
 

Gregg2

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It's very annoying to me that so many things are hidden now. You have to move your cursor to a certain spot to see something, but there's no visual clue that tells you to do that, or you have to make those extra clicks. I agree. Just show me everything, and let me decide if I want to show less.
 
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allan.nyholm

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This shouldn't be such an issue - Command + J inside your Home folder or Downloads folder and get to work

Then select Use as Defaults.

Of course.. while I was being a bit rude in the first sentence here, you have the way you sort using groups to blame.

I personally only sort by Kind with no use of groups and in Finder Preferences I keep folders on top everywhere.
 

Mr.Blacky

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It's very annoying to me that so many things are hidden now. You have to move your cursor to a certain spot to see something, but there's no visual clue that tells you to do that, or you have to make those extra clicks. I agree. Just show me everything, and let me decide if I want to show less.
Can you give an example where you need to move the cursor to a certain spot to see something?
 

Saturn007

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I'm not the OP or the poster on that point, but iOS and Monterey drive me up the wall with the many hidden controls — and the controls you now have to click on to make your choices appear, one’s that used to take a single click!

View Selection

For example, in Monterey, the choice of Icon, List, Column, Gallery now requires the use of a pull down menu — unless your Finder window is is incredibly wide horizontally. Then, it inconsistently becomes the old useful, functional, and transparent 4-icon set.

The View choice also no longer appears in the left-hand corner, but is shifted towards the center because of all the wasted space allocated to the folder's name. In fact, you can't even position the View menu all that close to the name.

View and Path Location

Having View be a drop-down menu also sows confusion with the classic Path drop-down, which used to be the only such icon in the Finder window tool bar. In Mojave and earier OSS, you could position it right at the center of the folder window where it belongs, functionally and aesthetically.

In Monterey, if you put the View drop-down menu on the right side of the toolbar, so that Path can be centered, it then requires TWO clicks to make a choice — one to show “View” and then another on that to show the choices. Steps backwards. Hidden and extra clicks!

Vanishing Act

In addition, if one's folder window is reasonably sized, say squarish, many or most of the toolbar controls vanish!

Too much space is allocated to the name of the folder; typically leaving extraneous white space.

Send Out a Search Party

Search is no longer an omnipresent text box you can simply click and start typing in. Instead, you must click on the magnifying glass, and “suffer” through the distracting visual gyrations of Monterey opening up a search box. (I realize that several or all of these may have been introduced with Catalina or Big Sur, but I jumped from Mojave to Monterey.)

Turning on WiFi Used to Fast, with a Large Margin of Error

Turning on your WiFi can no longer be accomplished by simply clicking the drop-down menu and sliding to its name. Instead, you have the jarring, non-standard, radio button and have to position the mouse pointer just so to click and turn it on! (Or off.)

Those are just for starters, but are ones I used every day for years and are no longer as fast or functional.

Consistency and Transparency

I thought two watchwords of Apple's Human Interface Guidelines were consistency and transparency…. iOS is notorious for all the items that are squirreled away, hidden, and secret.

Sorry for venting, but it's been a frustrating week with Monterey — and its frequent Windows-style, short in height, oddly rounded long rectangular boxes for text entry, and having to deal with Office 16! But those are nitpicks or rants for another day! 😎
 
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Gregg2

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Can you give an example where you need to move the cursor to a certain spot to see something?
A specific example, no. I don't write them down, and my onboard ROM is not as snappy as it used to be. I'm talking about hidden menu bars, hidden scroll bars and such that don't appear unless you move your mouse over them. It's like "tool tips" on steroids. But yeah, there are specific things in certain apps that do this, I just don't have them memorized.
 

Starfia

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I turn off View > Use Groups, but that also automatically changes Date Added to None. It seems like maybe what I need is a way to choose Icons and Date Added (or Date Modified, etc.) with Use Groups turned off, but I cannot find a way to do that.
So, it sounds like "Use Groups" was active as I'd suspected.

I'm trying this in a folder of mine, and I seem to have no problem turning off "Use Groups" and then selecting, for example, "View > Sort By > Date Added".

You said turning off "Use Groups" automatically "changes Date Added to None." I don't think I understand what you mean by that.
 

gradi

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Inside the Finder window with the icons after I scroll down to about the third row of icons there is a tiny, almost unreadable (because it is light gray against the white background) message that says Show All (30). It turns out I can click on it and now I can see some more file icons. Further down I see another message that says Show All (139) and further down there is another one that says Show All (52).

I just want to always see all my file icons without all this hassle. I looked at View > Show View Options, but nothing there. I also looked at Finder > Preferences.

I turn off View > Use Groups, but that also automatically changes Date Added to None. It seems like maybe what I need is a way to choose Icons and Date Added (or Date Modified, etc.) with Use Groups turned off, but I cannot find a way to do that.
Okay, I have discovered something that is very weird. It probably also explains why others do not see the problem.

I normally use the view menu and sort menu in the pulldown lists at the top of the Finder window. I get the strange behavior I have described above. Today I tried something different by accident. If instead I select using the View menu it works properly. Weird. Bug?
 
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