Forbes has always been filled with elitist, wrong-headed garbage. It's written and run by the sort of horrifically entitled patrician arseholes for whom the phrase "first up against the wall when the revolution comes" was specifically coined. I wouldn't line birdcages with that rag.
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Forbes magazine thinks designers are overpaid and snotty
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I'm really hoping you are joking, or your ignorance is just over-whelming. Infact, it's mildly offensive.
My other half is a teacher, and she gets into school at 8am and doesn't leave till around 6pm - where you get 9 to 3 is beyond me. She gets home an hour later and does planning and resource planning for at least 3hrs outside of her work hours.
She works more hours than me as a designer on an average week unless I have a huge project or deadline to meet. She doesn't get overtime, and she works over the weekend to boot. She plans and sets up her class-room two-weeks in advance of the term starting, meaning she really only gets around 3 or 4 week's break over the summer. This will be the same for any decent teacher who cares about their profession.
Your 'glorified' baby sitting is in reality taking care of 6-yr old children that have problems of their own. Some are gifted and talented and do as the teacher asks. Some have no/divorced parents, abusive or neglected parents, a parent who is in jail or who don't earn enough to feed their children. Taking care of them, their emotional, physical and educational well-being for the future and the over-bearing, rude and ignorant parents is more than just a simple drain on her mental health. During lunch - she doesn't sit around, she either is planning again, or taking lunch duty outside in the bitter cold or going on a training course.
To top it all off, she is not over-paid at all and barely makes rent/food each month.
Whereas myself as a designer, almost earns double her salary to sit-down for the majority of the day, in a warm nice building infront of some amazing technology, listening to music and not have screaming kids pulling and demanding of me all day. Wait - I deal with clients, so maybe that last part is wrong
So, still think teachers are over-paid with an easy job?
Are you dense
? He's trying to make an example of how ignorant the people that are arguing against graphic designers sound. The ones saying how easy their jobs are when they don't have any understanding of what the job entails.Absolutely true
Unfortunately I've know many web designers who are very snotty and self-inflating...
...but then again, I've known a lot who are very down to earth. My brother is a truck mechanic and he's very snotty (if that's the right word here) about his stuff. You get some wherever you go..
...but then again, I've known a lot who are very down to earth. My brother is a truck mechanic and he's very snotty (if that's the right word here) about his stuff. You get some wherever you go..
Spec work sucks. Anyone on here trying to defend it is obviously not a designer, and needs to get educated before they sit and say how fair it is. Unbelievable.
If the shoe fits...
Wear it. Overpaid? Not compared to pro football players or dentists; yes when compared to a cop or firefighter or anyone who risks their lives on a daily basis. Like a soldier in Iraq for example.
Snotty. Well I married one once and talk about elitism. She couldn't stop complaining about the the stupidest things. Like the use of the wrong typeface in a menu at a restaurant, or the lack of kerning on a logotype.
Wear it. Overpaid? Not compared to pro football players or dentists; yes when compared to a cop or firefighter or anyone who risks their lives on a daily basis. Like a soldier in Iraq for example.
Snotty. Well I married one once and talk about elitism. She couldn't stop complaining about the the stupidest things. Like the use of the wrong typeface in a menu at a restaurant, or the lack of kerning on a logotype.
Overpaid?!?! really? I work in NYC, where salaries are highly inflated... I've not met one designer who made above 6 figures.
Cops with 5 years on the force make more than most of us. I've been doing the design thing for 10+ years and haven't seen my rate go up all that much. Graphic Artists who agree to work for nothing really hurt us in the long run, it drops our value down greatly.
Cops with 5 years on the force make more than most of us. I've been doing the design thing for 10+ years and haven't seen my rate go up all that much. Graphic Artists who agree to work for nothing really hurt us in the long run, it drops our value down greatly.
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ROFL!!! That is a classic - really!
Anyway, back to topic... who cares? I mean, really - so what?
Firstly, This article is the definition of troll-bait.
Secondly, People think what they want... great.
I mean seriously other than all of us sitting around bitching together and comparing stories, what in the world is this conversation accomplishing?
I mean, are we starting a union? Are we calling for a boycott on Forbes?
Sure, we're all convincing each other how valuable we all are - or how the market determines this or that - but in the long run it is a bitching exercise in futility.
I mean step back for a second from this argument and think about where your outrage and frustrations might be better directed - maybe inward toward proving them wrong by knocking their (a clients) socks off! Maybe be re-investing in educating oneself to thus further stand out from the crowd.
Letting these comments/criticisms get to you will serve you or your art no purpose. Every first year art student learns to (at least the theory) of processing criticism to make ones work better. In other words - don't take it personally.
Essentially - who cares. Don't let 'em get ya riled up for their entertainment.
I think that Graphic Designers should be CERTIFIED, not necessarily licensed. Licensing is easy to get if it's on a local level and implies that you have paid some fees and qualified in some regard. The trouble with licensing is that it's difficult to monitor who qualifies and anyone who can afford the fee can probably get the license. On the other hand, Certification would require professional training and monitoring by a professional organization. In order to certify, the designer would have to prove that they have taken all steps to satisfy the criteria as proposed by the governing body, and then agree to operate by a set of ethical principles/standards.
The main problem with the industry, as compared to other professional industries, is that it's difficult to separate out the creative novice from the person that has paid their dues. Usually it's the process that one goes about in creating a compelling design solution that separates the two. There is also the problem of perceived value. A lot of businesses don't understand just how important their visual identity is and they will often shop around to get it done on the cheap. I don't like having to compete with the creative high-school kid who lives with his parents. I've put thousands of hours and untold dollars in formal training to become a graphic designer. It would be great if there was a simple way to differentiate the work that I can provide compared to what the client would get by hiring a novice. By having the ability to be certified (or even licensed) would go a long way towards separating out what I/we can do compared to what a novice does. If a client wants to get a cheap service, let them hire a non-certified designer. You get what you pay for. If they are a cheap cost cutting company that doesn't see the need for a professional brand, then I probably wouldn't want to work with them anyway. In my experience I've discovered that the "cheaper" the company is, the more controlling they are. Companies that value what I do are not afraid to pay me for my services and they have more trust in me to get the job done without having the need to micro-manage what I'm doing.
The main problem with the industry, as compared to other professional industries, is that it's difficult to separate out the creative novice from the person that has paid their dues. Usually it's the process that one goes about in creating a compelling design solution that separates the two. There is also the problem of perceived value. A lot of businesses don't understand just how important their visual identity is and they will often shop around to get it done on the cheap. I don't like having to compete with the creative high-school kid who lives with his parents. I've put thousands of hours and untold dollars in formal training to become a graphic designer. It would be great if there was a simple way to differentiate the work that I can provide compared to what the client would get by hiring a novice. By having the ability to be certified (or even licensed) would go a long way towards separating out what I/we can do compared to what a novice does. If a client wants to get a cheap service, let them hire a non-certified designer. You get what you pay for. If they are a cheap cost cutting company that doesn't see the need for a professional brand, then I probably wouldn't want to work with them anyway. In my experience I've discovered that the "cheaper" the company is, the more controlling they are. Companies that value what I do are not afraid to pay me for my services and they have more trust in me to get the job done without having the need to micro-manage what I'm doing.
Why doesn't everybody work that way? I'll get three guys to build me a porch and I'll just pay for the one I like best!
LMAO!!! I think I'll go to a few dentists and have my teeth worked on. The one I feel did the best will find the check in the mail. The others...good luck paying off med school with all the free time and work you've invested.
http://www.160over90.com/blog/2009/02/17/the-50-dollar-logo-experiment/
The $50 logo experiment: Cheeses of Nazareth!
The $50 logo experiment: Cheeses of Nazareth!
