Consultant said:
As countless DJs already said it, iTunes is the best music player in terms of search speed and organization. DJs know best. It's also the most popular music player app on both Mac and PC.
ok first off. DJ's know best when it comes to what is easier to me to navigate? Secondly I probably have more music than any freakin DJ out there. Thirdly, what is popular to the masses in terms of computers these days turns me away from using it. Mainly because computer apps are popular because most people, like apples target demographic, cant find there ass in the dark with both hands when it comes to ANY technical aspect about the computer. The masses WANT something that they cant screw up, because it seems like no one has any desire to learn anymore.
Consultant said:
People were doing folder sorting 10 years ago. Get with the times. iTune's smart Playlist does everything someone can do manually, except much faster.
Well, actually, its been alot longer than 10 years cheif. Yeah the whole smart playlist, or whatever its called, sure is great.....untill you get a new computer, reinstall itunes and have to resort it all over again instead of having it in some kind of structure in the hard disk. Its not faster at all, not in the least bit. I have over 40 GIGS of mp3's most of them I downloaded AGES ago whenever mp3s got started. Hell I was downloading tunes when they were only mpeg2 and wma encoded. Not to mention that I have a CD library that baffles your mind and I have ripped every single one of them, and guess what? I ripped a bunch of my cd's to WMA files eons ago back when...hell I dont even think CD burners were even being offered to the masses back then. Oh and guess what else....those CD's that I ripped, and reincoded...they dont have the fancy dancy new fangled tags that you are talking about...so NO not EVERYTHING in my collection is illegal. Hell I would go so far as to say that 90 percent of it is legal. I downloaded songs whenever it wasnt illegal, and honestly havent downloaded any since. I have all this crap, all 40 gigs organized, neatly, in folders that goes like this "music>artist>album>song." I even have album art in there.
So now thanks to itunes' gayness, I have to go through all 40 gigs of music (which is well over 20k+ songs mind you") and sort everything AGAIN so that I can sync only a few albums and that will take a month or so of working on it a few hours a day.
Consultant said:
iPhone DOES LET YOU NEVIGATE "artist>album>song".
Yeah it does, I never said it didnt. But, again, you have to go through all this rigamaroll of sorting all of your music into albums before you can do it....even though they are sorted already.
Consultant said:
Just because you don't know how to do something doesn't mean that it's not possible to do something.
again...never said it was impossible...I did however say that it is extraneous and a royal pain in the ass. and I stand by that.
Consultant said:
Besides, sounds like your music collection mainly contains illegal music that arn't tagged.
as I said. Its mostly LEGAL.
Consultant said:
You might want to buy your music before you get sued by the record companies.
Do you constantly live in fear of the po-po breaking into your home and arresting you for the probably 15 dozen laws that you have broken in the past month that you probably didnt even know you broke? Controlling your citizens through fear of persecution can also be called "uniformed, domestic, terrorism"
Consultant said:
If you purchase music, when you encode your CDs, the music gets tagged automatically, if online legal music download, it comes tagged already.
OK. So all of my albums that I have that are pre1980's and were on GASP cassette tapes that i digitalized and encoded...or hell even pre1990 dated CD's are tagged are they? How about my records that I played and recorded onto ADAT and manually encoded....do those have tags? NO.
Sorry homeboy, CD's get tagged automatically NOW....it didnt used to be that way. There are TONS of ways to put your LEGAL music library on a hard disk. It sounds to ME that you are not old enough to even REMEMBER a time when audio was in a media other than digital-optical or before the record companies were hypocritically suing people even though they were and still are, performing dry-hole raping with their CD prices. I can buy a freakin new release DVD for cheaper than I can buy a new release CD. And you tell me which one costs more to produce. Freakin BS.
bainesajay said:
In your mind you think, why can I not just simply dump music and organise using folders, why use a program like iTunes?
With windows explored or mac os finder if you simply organised music in folders you can do playlists. Think about it, even if you had sub folders, what if the same song appeared in different lists? or in different quantities?
You would need many duplicates of the same song, it just would not work. This is why people started writing jukebox applications.
I dont know what you are talking about when it comes to multiple tracks. I dont have a single duplicate mp3 in my entire library. I suppose you are talking about people that rip a album from a band...then rip the greatest hits or something...i dont understand the need to do that. If you have all of the original songs...then why bother with the greatest hits? i suppose thats just me there..so I see your point. You can just make a playlist or something to combat that, but then youll still run into the same problem that I mentioned above when you switch computers and reinstall whatever program you used to make the list.
bainesajay said:
You could argue, well i jsut like a big giant list, i dont liek to organise my music. IN order to sync chagnes at fast speeds, and not copy 8gb everytime you need a a database, eg a file that keeps track of how data is stored, this is done with an xml play list that ituens keeps, allowing you to make fast syncs. THis is not possible with yuor dump idea.
I would never DREAM of putting all of my tunes one folder without organization. Programs come and go, but HDD structure will ALWAYS be there. Even after the itunes fad wears out, and we all start making love to some other jukebox program. my music will be organized. It has survived, musicmatch, winamp (which i love still about 10 times better than itunes.) and about every other music playing software fad.
bainesajay said:
The dump idea works for dinky $20 MP3 players, or the maybe the shuffle, but not for something like this.
I dont understand you differentiate? Elitism? why in the name of all that is holy, would it not, please explain. I used a standalone player that held about 10 times the capacity to run in my office one time...and the drag and drop method worked fine...and I wasnt in any forums bitching about that.
bainesajay said:
The itunes interface is not difficult, this is supported with its wide adoption and little complains in forums. Unfortunately the problem is within you, i suggest you take a deep breath and learn how to use the software.
Ok, DEEP BREATH. I agree with you. The problem does have a big part in my head only. But what I dont understand is why no one else but me seems to have a problem with apple trying to monopolize the way we organize our data? You tell me that I need to learn the software but part of me DOESNT WANT TO. Its sort of like a seatbelt law. I wore my seatbelt a HELL of a lot more BEFORE there were seat belt laws. Now I just dont wear the thing because someone is trying to make me do it. If you like Itunes.. GREAT, Im glad it works for you. BUT!!! (and this is where my problem lies.) I dont want to be TOLD or be REQUIRED to do something a certain way, when I know I should have to, for only the sole purpose of maximizing some douche bags potential bottom line. I think that is what is pissing me off the most about this. I dont like authority, I never have.
I have sat down with the software and tried to figure out ways to do some things I want. But fact remains, and this will forever give me an intolerable itunes hatred: I STILL have to go through my ENTIRE collection of music through itunes and reorganize them. which is going to take FOREVER. So long in fact, that I may actually NEVER use the ipod part of the phone. I dont have the time to reorganize all of this stuff. period. WHO would?
