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patrickdunn

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Apr 16, 2009
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God this would suck, could you imagine all of our cars/phone/boats no longer having GPS.

From PC World:
The Global Positioning System faces the possibility of failures and blackouts, a federal watchdog agency has warned the U.S. Congress. Mismanagement by and underinvestment by the U.S. Air Force places the GPS at risk of failure in 2010 and beyond. The problem: Delays in launching replacement satellites, among other things.

According to the Government Accountability Office report, "In recent years, the Air Force has struggled to successfully build GPS satellites within cost and schedule goals" as part of a $2 billion modernization program.

"If the Air Force does not meet its schedule goals for development of GPS IIIA satellites, there will be an increased likelihood that in 2010, as old satellites begin to fail, the overall GPS constellation will fall below the number of satellites required to provide the level of GPS service that the U.S. government commits to."

Considered by the GAO to be "essential to national security" the GPS is also widely used by business and consumers and is a driver for next-generation location-based mobile applications used with smartphones and other devices.

"Such a gap in capability could have wide-ranging impacts on all GPS users," the GAO report states, "though there are measures the Air Force and others can take to plan for and minimize these impacts."

It is hard to imagine the U.S. government could allow this to happen. Actually, that's a lie, it's easy to imagine, but there is also time for corrective action to be taken. The first replacement satellite is expected to be launched this November, some three years after the original launch date. Speeding up future launches can solve the problem, but is likely to come at a high price.

The American GPS, though the pioneering consumer satnav system, is not alone. Russia, China, and India each have systems of their own, which are being expanded.

The European Union's Galileo system, intended as a rival for GPS, is expected to begin its rollout later this year.

The delay and potential failure of GPS gives these other nations the potential to rival the U.S. in space, something the U.S. government is unlikely to accept. The report is a black eye for the Air Force, which developed the GPS system during the 1990s and has maintained it since.

Link: http://www.pcworld.com/businesscent...system_could_begin_to_fail_within_a_year.html
 

LizKat

macrumors 604
Aug 5, 2004
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Keep it simple

How about imagining that we don't have any cars / phones / boats.

If we are doomed to become lost in any near term, it will be because we forget how to read, write and do arithmetic. This has apparently happened on a large scale several times in our distant past on this planet, and nothing in our more recent history suggests that we have learned a whole lot about how to stop partying while there's still anything left to party with.

What's "essential to national security" is actually a citizenry capable of telling its a%% from its elbow without any electronic gear whatsoever.

Until we get back to that point (may require some ability to do simple geometry) there's probably no need to panic over whether people can find their way to the nearest coffeehouse from the marina without a coffee-sniffing dog, in the event that too much GPS hardware falls out of the sky.
 

Mr_Brightside_@

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Sep 23, 2005
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Toronto
God this would suck, could you imagine all of our cars/phone/boats no longer having GPS.

How about imagining that we don't have any cars / phones / boats.
What's "essential to national security" is actually a citizenry capable of telling its a%% from its elbow without any electronic gear whatsoever.
Seriously. There are still, you know, paper maps. And other things. Like memory. I know all of one person who has a GPS (Tom Tom?), excluding 2 iPhones.
I can see the system failing, people trying to use their GPS, and proceeding to ask why their GPS doesn't work, rather than how to get where they're going.
 

Ntombi

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Jul 1, 2008
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Bostonian exiled in SoCal
Seriously. There are still, you know, paper maps. And other things. Like memory. I know all of one person who has a GPS (Tom Tom?), excluding 2 iPhones.
I can see the system failing, people trying to use their GPS, and proceeding to ask why their GPS doesn't work, rather than how to get where they're going.
Really? Half the people I know have GPS nav systems, not including iPhones, either built into their cars/SUVs or stand alone.

Maybe it depends on location? I live in SoCal--which is notoriously hard to navigate--and a lot of people here are transplants, including me. If I were still living in my hometown of Boston or in OH where I went to college, I wouldn't need one, but I've lived here for six years, and I still use it at least once a week.

Yes, I can and do read maps. Still have mine in the trunk, but there's nothing like turning on the Magellin and telling it to get me home.
 

djellison

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Feb 2, 2007
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Pasadena CA
Unless an unusually high and hitherto unknown satellite failure rate kicks in - we have no problem.

We have on orbit spares over and above the higher limit of requried GPS sats as it is. IF a few fail - we have spares. If more fail, we have a slightly degraded service until we've lost several more.

GPS isn't going anywhere soon.
 

jav6454

macrumors Core
Nov 14, 2007
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Air Force already said they won't allow the satellite count to go below 21 (which is the minimum count to have minimal error). They also said they were about to put up 4 more satellites in orbit in order to save and "upgrade" the current system.

Apparently everything is posted up on Twitter.
 

Sdashiki

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Aug 11, 2005
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Behind the lens
If the ENTIRE world uses GPS, why is the US the only ones paying for its upkeep?

I could be wrong, but where the hell is the Global-Aid for keeping a PUBLIC service like this going?
 

djellison

macrumors 68020
Feb 2, 2007
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Pasadena CA
If the ENTIRE world uses GPS, why is the US the only ones paying for its upkeep?

The purpose of GPS is for the US military. The civilian byproduct is the 'public face' of GPS.

Meanwhile, have you not read up on the issue? Europe, as we speak, is building its own GPS type system. Russia is replacing and upgrading its own nav sats as well.
 
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