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Has anyone tried Virtualization?
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There is currently no working way to run a virtual machine on an Apple Silicon Mac.
Support for VMs is coming soon from Parallels:
Here is a link to the technical preview sub form:
https://b2b.parallels.com/Apple-Silicon?_ga=2.264066060.1032233295.1605636530-2069657922.1605100139
Parallels Desktop for Mac with Apple M1 chip
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Here is a link to the technical preview sub form:
https://b2b.parallels.com/Apple-Silicon?_ga=2.264066060.1032233295.1605636530-2069657922.1605100139
No, you cannot use Rosetta for virtualization. If you'll search here in the forums you'll find lengthy discussions about this.
Parallels has a preview which might work on M1 systems, but it will not work with Intel based virtual machines.
Parallels Desktop for Mac with Apple M1 chip
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Thank you and congratulations on your new MBP! Your experiences will be appreciated, if you could update. Thank you!
Since ARM Macs are compatible with iPad software, running UTM should be possible with your Apple silicon. UTM is a more "brute force" approach which allows you to run x86 on your ARM processor with through software emulation instead of hardware acceleration, which should be slower. But with iPads, the speed for regular tasks was acceptable, apparently.
Why don't you guys give it a try?
This Docker blog has some interesting information about M1 and virtualization.
"Under the hood of Docker Desktop, we run a virtual machine, to achieve this on Apple’s new hardware we need to move onto Apple’s new hypervisor framework."
I am wondering if Docker for M1 will support Rosetta to run x86 Docker images, in the same way that Docker currently (but experimentally) supports QEMU to run non-native images.
www.docker.com
"Under the hood of Docker Desktop, we run a virtual machine, to achieve this on Apple’s new hardware we need to move onto Apple’s new hypervisor framework."
I am wondering if Docker for M1 will support Rosetta to run x86 Docker images, in the same way that Docker currently (but experimentally) supports QEMU to run non-native images.
Apple Silicon M1 Chips and Docker | Docker
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Very unlikely.This Docker blog has some interesting information about M1 and virtualization.
"Under the hood of Docker Desktop, we run a virtual machine, to achieve this on Apple’s new hardware we need to move onto Apple’s new hypervisor framework."
I am wondering if Docker for M1 will support Rosetta to run x86 Docker images, in the same way that Docker currently (but experimentally) supports QEMU to run non-native images.
Apple Silicon M1 Chips and Docker | Docker
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UTM uses a JIT like approach and it is extremely inefficient compares to hardware virtualization extensions. In other words, it will be very slow.
You may be right, but it seems to be usable with the iPad. I'm curious to know how it performs with the M1 Mac.
M1 supports virtualisation but virtualisation always means hosting guests that are native to the host's architecutre. That means an M1 Mac can host ARM64 guests. It won't be able to host x86 Windows. That would require emulation and nobody yet has created an x86 emulator for Apple Silicon Macs.
Is there a practical solution to allow this? I believe there are Linux (and also Windows) systems compiled for ARM.
I saw someone on Twitter running QEMU to run Mac OS X and Mac OS 9. Can't find the link atm though
X86 virtualization is by definition not possible on the M1. That said though Microsoft has done 32bit X86 emulation already and there's some news that 64bit may be supported soon. I'd imagine Apple or a dev can do something similar. Given the power of these SOCs, the performance hit for emulation may not be terrible.
I understand, thanks. I'm trying to see if any Virtualization platform will work, to virtualize an ARM operating system.
Docker reveals why its virtual machine isn't yet on Apple Silicon M1 | AppleInsider
Despite Docker being mentioned by Apple at the original Apple Silicon launch, there remain many steps needed to get it working on M1 machines — but the company is working on it.
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There is an x86 and x86_64(AMD64) implementation on qemu. Now I doubt it has been recompiled for ARM64 on macOS yet. Although I haven't looked. You would not be able to use KVM which gives that near native performance on the same arch. QEMU provides the virtual hardware stack so it should be like running virt-manager or promox but slower. Now the funny part would be if qemu ran on Rosetta while emulating x86 or x86_64 that would be a bit of Rube Goldberg setup. Can't imagine it will perform well.
So yeah I need to try once I get my Air. Because that bit of insanity sounds fun. At least w/ ARM64 vs. AMD64 you are the same Endianess so no byte reordering going on.
So yeah I need to try once I get my Air. Because that bit of insanity sounds fun. At least w/ ARM64 vs. AMD64 you are the same Endianess so no byte reordering going on.
For g&g (grins & giggles) I just attempted to install a Windows app using CrossOver Mac.
CrossOver itself installs and runs. When you tell it to install a Windows app, it creates the "bottle" (container for the virtual machine) just fine, but when trying to run the Windows installer, my M1 Mac spontaneously rebooted. Not even a kernel panic, just *SCREEN BLACK* - Apple logo - progress bar.
So yeah, Rosetta can't handle CrossOver. Unsurprising. Rosetta 2 doesn't emulate an Intel CPU in the traditional sense, the way Rosetta 1 did for PowerPC; instead it translates the code at install/first-launch. Since it can't translate all the random runtime stuff a virtualized system would do, it throws a hissy-fit. (Although I'm shocked Apple wouldn't have had the Rosetta 2 layer be its own component that would 'crash gracefully' the way Classic or Rosetta 1 did.)
CrossOver itself installs and runs. When you tell it to install a Windows app, it creates the "bottle" (container for the virtual machine) just fine, but when trying to run the Windows installer, my M1 Mac spontaneously rebooted. Not even a kernel panic, just *SCREEN BLACK* - Apple logo - progress bar.
So yeah, Rosetta can't handle CrossOver. Unsurprising. Rosetta 2 doesn't emulate an Intel CPU in the traditional sense, the way Rosetta 1 did for PowerPC; instead it translates the code at install/first-launch. Since it can't translate all the random runtime stuff a virtualized system would do, it throws a hissy-fit. (Although I'm shocked Apple wouldn't have had the Rosetta 2 layer be its own component that would 'crash gracefully' the way Classic or Rosetta 1 did.)
That is interesting. Crossover in their forums says it should work. Interesting your experience. I look forward to trying it myself. Not that this is a big deal either way. I am stuck waiting for my MBA ATM unless I want a rose gold one.
Are you using macOS 11.1 beta? CodeWeavers stresses that macOS 11.1 is required for CrossOver to work, as it has "critical fixes" to Rosetta 2 that open the way for them.
No, I imagine it will work there. It also helps that CrossOver isn't normal virtualization/emulation. Parallels or VMWare definitely won't be able to run Intel code, though.
This is strange. On Linux, when CrossOver Office fails, it either does nothing or the application window crashes. It doesn't ever take the whole computer with it.
Out of curiosity, what were you trying to run?