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EugW

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There are three deficiencies with 2017 Core m3 12” MacBook. It needs a faster CPU - M1, it needs two USB-C ports, and it needs a better trackpad feel.

I have my 12” MacBook on the firmest trackpad setting and it often still feels quite weak. Thinking it might just be my unit, I went to the Apple Store and compared the other MacBooks and they felt the same, but the MacBook Pros’ trackpads felt considerably better. The pre-M1 Retina Airs also had the same problem.

What about the M1 Airs?
 

EugW

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Its ok. Came from the same 2017 MacBook.
Damn. :(

I suspect this is because of their unending goal of making these thinner. It’s sad because the trackpad in my my 13 year old Macs feel so much better. The recent Retina Pros are pretty decent but the non-Pros are at best just tolerable.
 

NT1440

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There are three deficiencies with 2017 Core m3 12” MacBook. It needs a faster CPU - M1, it needs two USB-C ports, and it needs a better trackpad feel.

I have my 12” MacBook on the firmest trackpad setting and it often still feels quite weak. Thinking it might just be my unit, I went to the Apple Store and compared the other MacBooks and they felt the same, but the MacBook Pros’ trackpads felt considerably better. The pre-M1 Retina Airs also had the same problem.

What about the M1 Airs?
Aren’t they all the same slab of glass with a haptic engine?
 

Andrey_K

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Dec 9, 2020
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Damn. :(

I suspect this is because of their unending goal of making these thinner. It’s sad because the trackpad in my my 13 year old Macs feel so much better. The recent Retina Pros are pretty decent but the non-Pros are at best just tolerable.
No, I mean I'm perfectly satisfied with it.
Actually I like it way more then mechanical trackpads: either 12-15 MBP or previous generation standalone.
It's more powerful than 12 inch one.
 

Clausewitz

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I haven't had any experience with MacBooks between early-2015 to late-2020. However, from what I have noticed the trackpad on my e-2015 rMBP is much smoother while the trackpad on my M1 is quite rough. I can almost hear the friction of my finger moving across the trackpad.
 

darngooddesign

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My M1 MBA's trackpad has less travel and is more firmly dampened than the one on my 2014 MBP, I noticed the difference right away, but I almost always tap-to-click so it's a non-issue for me.
 

NT1440

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Exactly. All recent MacBooks have a Force Trackpad that does not move when you push down. It just activates motors to give the illusion of movement. You can adjust a setting to change how firm or soft the trackpad click is. https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT204352
It just struck me that my 2015 MBP is the haptic trackpad as well. There hasn’t been a mechanical trackpad in quite some time now...
 

NT1440

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There is just a little less travel with the M1 trackpad compared to older models but, it doesn't bother me at all. It works well and I really don't miss the old trackpad.
You’re misunderstanding, there is no travel at all. The trackpad hasn’t physically moved in at least 5 years.
 
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NT1440

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It has been almost that long since I owned a Mac laptop before the M1. lol Sorry for the confused post.
I thought the change was made with the new 2016 chassis, then I went to click on my powered off 2015 and realize it had the haptic trackpad.

I think that’s just a testament to how astounding the haptics are on these things. You really do forget that there is NO hinge at all, just a slab of glass that doesn’t move.
 

Apple_Robert

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I thought the change was made with the new 2016 chassis, then I went to click on my powered off 2015 and realize it had the haptic trackpad.

I think that’s just a testament to how astounding the haptics are on these things. You really do forget that there is NO hinge at all, just a slab of glass that doesn’t move.
It is pretty amazing. I agree. Good to know it won't wear out.
 

jerryk

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It just struck me that my 2015 MBP is the haptic trackpad as well. There hasn’t been a mechanical trackpad in quite some time now...

And it works better because it is not mechanical. No more dead or hard to press spots in the corners and the same force required across the entire trackpad surface.
 
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EugW

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And it works better because it is not mechanical. No more dead or hard to press spots in the corners and the same force required across the entire trackpad surface.
No dead spots, but the feedback is quite weak on the 12" MacBook, at least when I am interacting with it quickly. That's my issue with it. And I confirmed it is not just my unit. The other units in the Apple Store behaved the same, whereas it was stronger on the 13" MacBook Pro.

I think part of the reason may be that if I tap really quickly I don't get the full effect of the feedback so it almost feels like I'm tapping on a non-responsive table. However, the MBP one is stronger so that problem may be less noticeable.
 
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jerryk

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No dead spots, but the feedback is quite weak on the 12" MacBook. That's my issue with it. And I confirmed it is not just my unit. The other units in the Apple Store behaved the same, whereas it was stronger on the 13" MacBook Pro.
My M1 Macbook Air trackpad works fine. However, it is a personal taste issue. I have my Click set to medium.

I never used a 12" so cannot compare.
 

Maconplasma

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There are three deficiencies with 2017 Core m3 12” MacBook. It needs a faster CPU - M1, it needs two USB-C ports, and it needs a better trackpad feel.
Aside from the trackpad which is a subjective thing the rest of what you want will never happen. Apple has happily laid the 12" MacBook to rest. Makes sense with the success of the M1 AIR.
 

EugW

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My M1 Macbook Air trackpad works fine. However, it is a personal taste issue. I have my Click set to medium.

I never used a 12" so cannot compare.
I’d go check it out myself but we’ve been under retail lockdown for quite some time now in Toronto.

I had to buy my Apple Watches for Xmas sight unseen.
 
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