A clean restore cannot correct a battery that has been abused in a jailbroken environment for two or three years.
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A clean restore cannot correct a battery that has been abused in a jailbroken environment for two or three years.
You made a bad decision, take accountability, and live with it.
Do you know for a fact that a “jailbroken environment” abuses a battery?
Honestly, your posts are very entertaining from the standpoint that you never know what made up “facts” are gonna come up in your ramblings. Keep it up. Good stuff.
I feel its blown out of proportion somewhat mostly by people that dont know what they are talking about. However I feel Apple could have addressed this before letting the media run with it.
The algorithms used by Apple to throttle CPU are based on battery health. Android, Windows, most OS's have battery saving CPU throttling features but those are based on current battery life.
That said iPhones have fast CPU's and small batteries (capacity) relatively speaking.
Something to know, a batteries max discharge rate (current able to discharge without damaging battery) is based on its capacity. Max discharge rate isn't a constant either, as the capacity lowers from wear the max discharge rate lowers too.
I think iOS 11 and its associated features (ARKit especially) certain iPhones were capable of getting too close or even exceeding what Apple has deemed safe (liability to THEM). Only solution was to implement a mechanism to reduce discharge rate and the obvious answer would be throttle the CPU.
Check out the ARKit app Airmeasure, its awesome but also it will murder battery life while warming the phone to questionable levels.
This is slightly backed up by the fact that Apple reduced their battery replacement prices for iOS 11 devices by more than half instead of.....adding a toggle switch in software?
The overhead with Apple they probably barely break even replacing iPhone batteries for 30 dollars. You could assume the battery was free to them and that still tough considering the customer service and employee time + benefits + store space consumed (my local store people wait outside for people inside to leave, yes its completely obnoxious) + tools required + etc etc.
I just feel there is more too it than Apple trying to conserve battery.
The algorithms used by Apple to throttle CPU are based on battery health. Android, Windows, most OS's have battery saving CPU throttling features but those are based on current battery life.
That said iPhones have fast CPU's and small batteries (capacity) relatively speaking.
Something to know, a batteries max discharge rate (current able to discharge without damaging battery) is based on its capacity. Max discharge rate isn't a constant either, as the capacity lowers from wear the max discharge rate lowers too.
I think iOS 11 and its associated features (ARKit especially) certain iPhones were capable of getting too close or even exceeding what Apple has deemed safe (liability to THEM). Only solution was to implement a mechanism to reduce discharge rate and the obvious answer would be throttle the CPU.
Check out the ARKit app Airmeasure, its awesome but also it will murder battery life while warming the phone to questionable levels.
This is slightly backed up by the fact that Apple reduced their battery replacement prices for iOS 11 devices by more than half instead of.....adding a toggle switch in software?
The overhead with Apple they probably barely break even replacing iPhone batteries for 30 dollars. You could assume the battery was free to them and that still tough considering the customer service and employee time + benefits + store space consumed (my local store people wait outside for people inside to leave, yes its completely obnoxious) + tools required + etc etc.
I just feel there is more too it than Apple trying to conserve battery.
That's because those who have no technical know hows do not dare to venture into jailbreaking. I don't blame them. Sadly some of them have their phone crippled by Apple the cheater. and they do not know how to break out of the jail designed by a cheater.
He reminds me of Kellyanne Conway. Alternative facts.
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Why would the model year of a phone be used in an algorithm that should only be concerned with battery health? Why is it an iPhone 7 that was bought a day before an iPhone 8 would be throttled but not said iPhone 8?
It doesn't matter what day the phone was purchased, what matters is that they are two different processors requiring two different sets of parameters:
"While the iPhone 7 touts Apple's 64-bit Fusion A10 chip, the iPhone 8 features Apple's new A11 Bionic CPU, coming paired with an Apple-built GPU. This six-core CPU is divided into two low-performance cores and four high-performance cores, with the regular cores being 25 per cent faster than the previous A10 chip, and the high-performance cores being up to 75 per cent faster than the A10 SoC."
An iPhone 8 wont be throttled because it wont have much battery wear yet, give it a year.
An iPhone 7 bought a day before brand new in box shouldn't be throttled just like my iPhone 6S with a brand new battery isn't being throttled anymore.
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Do you have a point of reference of an iPhone 7 that has no battery wear being throttled? I haven't kept up with all these things.
Because that's what Apple said and warned against.
Just go spend the $29 to fix your mistake and move on. Or, be true to your values and leave Apple behind and go get yourself one of those cheap Androids.
Did you even read the part where he said he jailbroke phones in the PAST? Here we go again.
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Do you work for Apple? How do you know that Apple is being truthful with it's customers? Why do you always take the side of Apple and attack anyone who posts here?
It's strange that I jailbroke every iPhone I had with no battery issues whatsoever. Some people just have a hard-on against jailbreaking.
Technically with the right tweaks you could preserve battery life/health with a jailbreak. With speed intensifier (dont know if thats still around or not) you could under clock the CPU and conserve battery (less cycles thus less wear) at the expense of performance, similar to what Apple is doing now.
Conversely you could use that tweak to overclock for better performance with potentially negative effects on the battery. Which is why Apple claims it "can" harm battery health.
Regardless the mere act of jailbreaking and not doing anything else will have no effect on the battery.
You are pure gold my friend. Just as you assume that jailbraking “abuses” a battery, you also assume that since I simply ask about your claim, then I am a jailbreaker. You couldn’t be more wrong. You see, I am also using your oh so special iPhone X. I’m just not narrow minded enough to dismiss the problems that others are having, and defend a corporation.
But you keep up the good work. I haven’t laughed this much in a long time.
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Precisely.
This is why Apple doesn’t condone the practice and why jailbreaking voids the iPhone warranty.
Simple restore will get your warranty back. And nobody know if you ever jaipbroken your iPhone.
Jailbreak is awesome. It allows you do so much more that Apple will never allows you to do. When I was iPhone user, I jailbroken every iPhone and customized the hell out of iPhone.
I pretty much Androidified my iPhone. But now, I am happy Android user.
Seems like people are giving into the whole jailbreak distraction that is moot in relation to this.
A few months ago (maybe 6 months or so ago) a friend at work was just about to dump his almost 3 year old iPhone 6 Plus. He complained it randomly shuts down at 20-40% battery and was driving him nuts and was going to get a new phone shortly.
I told him to do a software update to see if that helps. He did it and when I asked him how is your phone now, he said it is much better. No more random shutdown. It does run a bit slowly but I can bear it until end of year and then get a new phone.
In this case, the updated iOS with throttling delayed the purchase of a new phone.
I told him to do a software update to see if that helps. He did it and when I asked him how is your phone now, he said it is much better. No more random shutdown. It does run a bit slowly but I can bear it until end of year and then get a new phone.
In this case, the updated iOS with throttling delayed the purchase of a new phone.
I always wonder if these people are actually paid by apple... I'm having hard time understanding why some random person would go so far to defend a company, that only takes money from him and gives nothing back
I always wonder if these people are actually paid by apple... I'm having hard time understanding why some random person would go so far to defend a company, that only takes money from him and gives nothing back
I wouldn't imagine anyone is paid, but who knows. I have defended Apple on the issue mainly because I feel that they were trying to do the right thing and extend the lives of peoples phones with bad battery health. They had missteps and should have been more transparent, but I don't think it makes them any less of a company. I certainly wouldn't jump ship at this point. Apple doesn't owe me or you or anyone anything, but they take your money and give you a product. That's how commerce works. Not sure what you mean by nothing back.
Exactly my point. A simple restore covers up the tracks of the illegal hack but doesn't do anything to cover up the damage done to the battery.
Someone gets a new iPhone 6. The immediately jailbreak. First thing they do is overclock to get more speed out of the processor. Two years go by. Battery isn't working as well. Life is shortened. Apple releases iOS version that protects normal people with normal battery wear but punishes jailbreakers with prematurely accelerated battery wear.
It's not intentional. But it's awesome. That's what you get for hacking and cheating. Now spend your $29 and consider yourself grateful that Apple even gave you the discounted battery. I'd have cut you loose entirely.
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With all due respect C DM, it is very germane to the issue. Anecdotally, I must have engaged 25 iPhone owners in the past 3 weeks about this issue and when I mention that they jailbroke their phones they don't deny it or they brag about it outright. I ran into exactly 2 people who didn't jailbreak but confirmed they bought their phones used on Craigslist, very well might have been jailbroken too.
Here's the point: One of the first things a jailbreaker does is overclock his processor in search of more speed. That, in turn, drives the processor past its recommended limits and drains the battery prematurely. That is most definitely a contributing factor to early-battery-death here. The very people who would know what Geekbench is and would be cognizant of their processor being throttled are the very people jailbreaking, it's why all the complainers in this thread are in this group.
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Exactly right.
Normal iPhone owners get the benefit of lengthened battery life and no shutdown threat and they are unaware of processing speed because they aren't Geekbench hacking types. So they are happy and don't think they need a new iPhone. Apple prevented increased sales by extending battery life in old phones. That's a good thing.
Meanwhile, jailbreakers discover that their two-year-old overclocked batteries are throttled and get angry because they lost the speed they once had with the jailbreak and even with the base OS. So they are unhappy and think it's a conspiracy to get them to buy a new iPhone. Phony accusations and pathetic class action lawsuits ensue.
It's poetic justice. Apple did a good thing for their good customers and inadvertently punish those who broke the rules and hacked their OS. Good customers get more life out of their phone's don't have to spend money on a new one. Hackers get less life and have to buy a new phone. Awesome.
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Millionaire that talks to iPhone owners about jailbreaking in his spare time. Too funny. And then spends more time on the internet trying to convince others of the terrible injustices these aweful jailbreakers are committing. Hahaha.
More like millionaire trying to point out a few facts amidst all of the phony rhetoric and fake news.
When did you buy your iPhone X?
You have proof that with all iPhone 6 and 6S users that affected by the throttle, all of them were jailbroken their iPhone? And all of them over clocked their processor?
You are just too funny
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Not gonna buy iPhone knowing it will be throttled in 2 years time.