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paulcons

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I have read DPT is better in some ways than HDMI, but not sure I remember exactly which way it was. I have a list of what stuff I want to get where I have the money. But I’m curious. The plan is for a Mac mini M4 and a fairly kick ass pc for my gaming. So I have to go the KVM that is built into the monitor (27”, 4K, mini-led, 180Hz refresh)) at the top of my list. However it, as well several stand alone units do) the connection between the computer to monitor is only HDMI while at least for the external units, one can go DTP from the switch to the monitor, although I doubt that plays any role. So am curious what I may lose by going through HDMI for part of the route?
 

joevt

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4K 180Hz requires HDMI 2.1 or DisplayPort 1.4, both with DSC. Read the display manual and the Mac mini M4 specs (when they are released) to determine which connection method will work.
 

paulcons

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So I am good to go either way at that size/refresh rate. Ah, both have DSC, I kinda thought that was a feature of DPT. So at what refresh rate does DPT become the favored interface?
 

joevt

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So I am good to go either way at that size/refresh rate. Ah, both have DSC, I kinda thought that was a feature of DPT. So at what refresh rate does DPT become the favored interface?
Depends on the supported link rates and bit depth.
DisplayPort 1.2 has HBR2, DisplayPort 1.3 has HBR3, DisplayPort 2.0 has UHBR 10, UHBR 13.5, UHBR 20.
HDMI has 18Gbps (14.4Gbps) for HDMI 2.0 and HDMI 2.1 has FRL1, FRL2, FRL3, FRL4, FRL5, FRL6.

For bit depth, 8bpc (24bpp) is mimimum. 10bpc (30bpp) is required for HDR.
DSC compresses both of them to 12bpp so bit depth doesn't matter in that case (except some MST hubs can't decompress DSC to 10bpc).
Apple Silicon Macs will do DSC at less than 12bpp (down to 8bpp) if the refresh rate requires it (for example, 4K 240Hz requires 10bpp with HBR3 x4).
There's a patch for Intel Macs that changes the default DSC target bits per pixel to allow 4K 240Hz.

(Use DP for DisplayPort abbreviation).

Below are some 4K refresh rates and the required pixel clock. Note that these are using CVT-RB2 calculations. HDMI 2.0 uses 594MHz for 60Hz. I don't think there's a reason why HDMI 2.0 couldn't use CVT-RB2 timings.
Code:
for ((thefps=20;thefps<=480;thefps+=10)); do
	printf "%3d Hz %13f MHz\n" "$thefps" "$(edid-decode -S --cvt w=3840,h=2160,fps=$thefps,rb=2 | perl -pE 's/.*?([\d+.]+) MHz.*/$1/')"
done

 20 Hz    170.990000 MHz
 30 Hz    257.661000 MHz
 40 Hz    345.116000 MHz
 50 Hz    433.356000 MHz
 60 Hz    522.614000 MHz
 70 Hz    612.460000 MHz
 80 Hz    703.404000 MHz
 90 Hz    795.211000 MHz
100 Hz    887.880000 MHz
110 Hz    981.411000 MHz
120 Hz   1075.804000 MHz
130 Hz   1171.060000 MHz
140 Hz   1267.179000 MHz
150 Hz   1364.748000 MHz
160 Hz   1462.630000 MHz
170 Hz   1562.041000 MHz
180 Hz   1661.688000 MHz
190 Hz   1762.941000 MHz
200 Hz   1865.136000 MHz
210 Hz   1968.271000 MHz
220 Hz   2073.209000 MHz
230 Hz   2178.265000 MHz
240 Hz   2285.203000 MHz
250 Hz   2392.180000 MHz
260 Hz   2501.116000 MHz
270 Hz   2611.072000 MHz
280 Hz   2722.047000 MHz
290 Hz   2834.042000 MHz
300 Hz   2947.056000 MHz
310 Hz   3062.304000 MHz
320 Hz   3177.395000 MHz
330 Hz   3294.799000 MHz
340 Hz   3413.300000 MHz
350 Hz   3532.900000 MHz
360 Hz   3653.596000 MHz
370 Hz   3776.841000 MHz
380 Hz   3899.772000 MHz
390 Hz   4025.330000 MHz
400 Hz   4152.064000 MHz
410 Hz   4279.973000 MHz
420 Hz   4409.059000 MHz
430 Hz   4539.320000 MHz
440 Hz   4672.483000 MHz
450 Hz   4805.136000 MHz
460 Hz   4940.768000 MHz
470 Hz   5077.654000 MHz
480 Hz   5217.676000 MHz


max pixel clocks per connection and bits per pixel.png
 

paulcons

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Depends on the supported link rates and bit depth.
DisplayPort 1.2 has HBR2, DisplayPort 1.3 has HBR3, DisplayPort 2.0 has UHBR 10, UHBR 13.5, UHBR 20.
HDMI has 18Gbps (14.4Gbps) for HDMI 2.0 and HDMI 2.1 has FRL1, FRL2, FRL3, FRL4, FRL5, FRL6.

Sorry, that kinda went over my head! Here's my use case... going to be getting the new Mac Mini at some point soon. At first I will KVM it to my cMP running winblowz (gaming). Eventually the cMP will be replaced by a high end windblozen box. The KVM stuff I am seeing seems to only use HDMI. Right now I have a cheap ass 60 Hz 1080p monitor. Still debating in my head about what monitor to get for that, 4k vs. 1440p, OLED or mini-LED. That will be at least 160Hz or higher. Not even sure what rev level the HDMI port is on the Mini (assume something pretty old on the cheap ass). I know it will all work, but just curious about using DP... I know there are situations where it is better to use.
 
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