HELP! iCloud upgrade messed up my WHOLE system! How to fix??

[SnarkyBear]

I installed the Yosemite beta on an older mac mini we use for home theater. Somewhere in the process, I must have approved going to iCloud, though I do not recall doing so.

Now on all my other computers, I am unable to sync with Numbers from my iPhone. I just get "Sorry, you can't use Numbers with this account right now" message. I can't access Numbers

How do I get so my iPhone syncs with my Mavericks-running macs again?

 

[wingsabr]

Can't....once you upgrade its toast until official Yosemite and iOS 8

 

[laurihoefs]

I installed the Yosemite beta on an older mac mini we use for home theater. Somewhere in the process, I must have approved going to iCloud, though I do not recall doing so.

Now on all my other computers, I am unable to sync with Numbers from my iPhone. I just get "Sorry, you can't use Numbers with this account right now" message. I can't access Numbers

How do I get so my iPhone syncs with my Mavericks-running macs again?

The first time you start Yosemite, you get an option to upgrade your account to use iCloud Drive. Once you upgrade your account, you can no longer use iCloud Documents and Data. It warns you of this if you choose to upgrade, but it's easy to miss the warning.

All you can do, is create another account to use on the other Macs.

 

[SnarkyBear]

Can't....once you upgrade its toast until official Yosemite and iOS 8

So even though my upgrade was to a lesser used computer, the end effect is that ALL my computers are now unable to use this critical (to me) function?? And that Apple did not give any indication how completely overwhelming this change would be? And though I have read about this being an optional change in these forums, I do not recall ever selecting it in the installation process.

I am so mad right now!

 

[chrfr]

...Apple did not give any indication how completely overwhelming this change would be?

In the setup process, Apple describes exactly what will happen to iCloud if you convert to iCloud Drive.

 

[wingsabr]

So even though my upgrade was to a lesser used computer, the end effect is that ALL my computers are now unable to use this critical (to me) function?? And that Apple did not give any indication how completely overwhelming this change would be? And though I have read about this being an optional change in these forums, I do not recall ever selecting it in the installation process.

I am so mad right now!

I'm mad with ya!! I would have made the same mistake had I not read Macrumors first. Apple doesn't make it clear that you get this if you do this.

 

[RobFog]

[…]I am so mad right now!

Mad at yourself, I hope. Because you’ve only got yourself to blame.

I'm mad with ya!! I would have made the same mistake had I not read Macrumors first. Apple doesn't make it clear that you get this if you do this.

Nonsense. It’s mentioned at both links mentioned in the email announcing the beta: https://appleseed.apple.com/sp/betaprogram/redemption (point 3), https://appleseed.apple.com/sp/betaprogram/guide.

 

[SuperMatt]

Mad at yourself, I hope. Because you’ve only got yourself to blame.


Nonsense. It’s mentioned at both links mentioned in the email announcing the beta: https://appleseed.apple.com/sp/betaprogram/redemption (point 3), https://appleseed.apple.com/sp/betaprogram/guide.

It's also specifically mentioned during the install process itself. Sorry it had a bad effect on you, but, RTFM... and with Beta software... doubly so.

 

[Martin29]

There is a way. But it will cost you.

If you sign up for the Apple Developer program you can access the IOS8 Beta on your iPhone. If you activate iCloud there, then you'll have access on both devices.

Of course there are risks relating to stability of both betas and only you can decide..

Either way you need to read carefully the warnings before installing any kind of update, especially when a beta

 

[SnarkyBear]

It's also specifically mentioned during the install process itself. Sorry it had a bad effect on you, but, RTFM... and with Beta software... doubly so.

Mad at yourself, I hope. Because you’ve only got yourself to blame.


Nonsense. It’s mentioned at both links mentioned in the email announcing the beta: https://appleseed.apple.com/sp/betaprogram/redemption (point 3), https://appleseed.apple.com/sp/betaprogram/guide.

I upgraded my Mac Mini with the beta because I thought that if the worse happens, I could just reinstall Mavericks and move on. The only thing affected would be the computer I install the beta on.

That Apple includes an adjustment to iCloud that affects the way my iPhone interacts my iMac--neither of which was involved in this beta update--is totally bizarre to me.

Furthermore, despite the fact that this affects much more than the computer being upgraded into the beta, Apple doesn't permit a way to turn this off--that is mind-boggling!

To me, Apple really messed up on this iCloud upgrade procedure.

 

[DJEmergency]

I upgraded my Mac Mini with the beta because I thought that if the worse happens, I could just reinstall Mavericks and move on. The only thing affected would be the computer I install the beta on.

That Apple includes an adjustment to iCloud that affects the way my iPhone interacts my iMac--neither of which was involved in this beta update--is totally bizarre to me.

Furthermore, despite the fact that this affects much more than the computer being upgraded into the beta, Apple doesn't permit a way to turn this off--that is mind-boggling!

To me, Apple really messed up on this iCloud upgrade procedure.

No they didn't mess up. You got the warnings. It's that you didn't read them. The warning is there when you install the OS and it's there when you try to enable it in system prefs. So don't be blaming Apple for something you did yourself.

 

[blipmusic]

Beta or not, I'd say it still too easy to miss/misinterpret the upgrade to iCloud Drive message during installation.

The upgrade option should absolutely not have been the default choice at this point. It's a beta of an os and the upgrade to drive option - a beta in itself - affects all your devices which now can't sync/retrieve former iCloud documents on non-beta devices.

You guys can write as many "RTFM" posts as you'd like in reply to the OP, but Apple really should have known better not make this opt-out at installation at this point in testing.

 

[ZombiePete]

Beta or not, I'd say it still too easy to miss/misinterpret the upgrade to iCloud Drive message during installation.

The upgrade option should absolutely not have been the default choice at this point. It's a beta of an os and the upgrade to drive option - a beta in itself - affects all your devices which now can't sync/retrieve former iCloud documents on non-beta devices.

It's not a default choice though. A window pops up for iCloud Drive that explains exactly what is going to happen: you can upgrade to iCloud Drive now so that your Yosemite/iOS 8 devices can sync to iCloud, but none of your other devices will be able to use iCloud for documents/data sync. I don't see how it can be misinterpreted, it's pretty explicit about what's going to happen.

You guys can write as many "RTFM" posts as you'd like in reply to the OP, but Apple really should have known better not make this opt-out at installation at this point in testing.

You mean Apple should have made it is so that you can click "Next" and "I accept" over and over again quickly without reading without consequence.

It's amazing; I installed Yosemite and yet I can still use iCloud normally...I must just be a lucky guy.

 

[Martin29]

You guys can write as many "RTFM" posts as you'd like in reply to the OP, but Apple really should have known better not make this opt-out at installation at this point in testing.

I disagree.. The messages are clear and easily understood for those who want to read them.

In addition these are features which merit the beta testing they are now getting from users before being fully implemented later in the fall.

 

[blipmusic]

It's not a default choice though. A window pops up for iCloud Drive that explains exactly what is going to happen: you can upgrade to iCloud Drive now so that your Yosemite/iOS 8 devices can sync to iCloud, but none of your other devices will be able to use iCloud for documents/data sync. I don't see how it can be misinterpreted, it's pretty explicit about what's going to happen.

You mean Apple should have made it is so that you can click "Next" and "I accept" over and over again quickly without reading without consequence.

It's amazing; I installed Yosemite and yet I can still use iCloud normally...I must just be a lucky guy.

I disagree.. The messages are clear and easily understood for those who want to read them.

In addition these are features which merit the beta testing they are now getting from users before being fully implemented later in the fall.

Well, if I upgrade all other devices loose the ability to retrieve iCloud documents until release, or did I misunderstand? It's an option causing e.g. an iPhone app not being able to use iCloud due to a choice during installation of an OS in beta. I agree that we as testers should be informed and careful but I do think Apple should have placed the upgrade after installation or on first boot during beta.

I did not upgrade to Drive and iCloud works on my iPhone and iPad, sure. I never said it didn't. Can't speak for desktop apps, though, as I don't see the option to the old iCloud there, neither can my apps see the old iCloud documents (but I guess that's intentional, since we are meant to upgrade to Drive eventually...or...?).

 

[ZombiePete]

The option should be there for testing, yes. It should not be the *default choice/opt-out* during installation for a service that affects all your devices in a public beta.

You keep saying this; explain how it's the "default choice" during installation?

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Well, all other devices loose the ability to retrieve iCloud documents until release, or did I misunderstand?

Non-Yosemite and iOS 8 devices will no longer be able to sync documents/data to iCloud.

I agree that we as testers should be informed and careful but I do think Apple should have placed the upgrade after installation or on first boot.

The option appears after the upgrade, when you first boot into/login to Yosemite in a window that explains what it is and what's going to happen.

I did not upgrade to Drive and iCloud works, sure. I never said it didn't.

Then obviously you somehow got the information necessary to avoid doing the upgrade, and the choice was made clear enough to you that you shouldn't do it. Why do you hold other people to lower standards than you hold yourself?

 

[T'hain Esh Kelch]

Beta or not, I'd say it still too easy to miss/misinterpret the upgrade to iCloud Drive message during installation.

The upgrade option should absolutely not have been the default choice at this point. It's a beta of an os and the upgrade to drive option - a beta in itself - affects all your devices which now can't sync/retrieve former iCloud documents on non-beta devices.

You guys can write as many "RTFM" posts as you'd like in reply to the OP, but Apple really should have known better not make this opt-out at installation at this point in testing.

What? Yosemite is not for end users, it is for testing beta features and give API access to developers. It is not "Uh, I'll use this for fun and giggles, and Apple should make it behave so it works perfectly for me, because I like the newest shinyness! Wiiiii!"

RTFM and stop using beta software if you have no reason, or logic, for doing so.

 

[blipmusic]

You keep saying this; explain how it's the "default choice" during installation?

Upgrade was the one checked by default in my case - I had to explicitly click the do not upgrade radio button to opt-out during installation - but...

The option appears after the upgrade, when you first boot into/login to Yosemite in a window that explains what it is and what's going to happen.

Then obviously you somehow got the information necessary to avoid doing the upgrade, and the choice was made clear enough to you that you shouldn't do it. Why do you hold other people to lower standards than you hold yourself?

...this is where it gets embarrassing. As I de-checked upgrade during installation (clean install, by the way) and by active choice opted for keeping the old iCloud I actually don't know what happens if you do upgrade. *cough*

So since I'm misinformed and ignorant of a few points could someone tell me what the actual upgrade procedure is like? I.e. If I let the default choice ("Upgrade") stay checked during installation of Yosemite beta, what happens next? I'm curious as to how ignorant I've actually been.

RTFM and stop using beta software if you have no reason, or logic, for doing so.

You seem angry. I'm not questioning the ability to test iCloud Drive, I'm questioning where in the installation chain Apple put the option to do so, considering the consequences, that's all. But I might be misinformed of the whole procedure anyway as I opted-out. Yay?

 

[Fenderf4i]

The problem here is people using the beta just to try out the new OS rather than developing on it, which is what the betas are meant for. If you're a true developer, you want iCloud Drive on. Not only that, but you would use a second iCloud account to use just for the betas, not your every day user account.

 

[freeskier93]

The problem here is people using the beta just to try out the new OS rather than developing on it, which is what the betas are meant for. If you're a true developer, you want iCloud Drive on. Not only that, but you would use a second iCloud account to use just for the betas, not your every day user account.

You should look up the definition of beta. Developer preview is for developers to get in early and start developing. Beta is for finding bugs.

Doesn't matter though, it was stated during the install what would happen if you upgraded to iCloud Drive. If you just clicked through without paying attention or without fully understanding what would happen you only have yourself to blame.