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Two years and several MacOS’s ago our 2 1st gen HomePods, 2 2nd gen HomePods, and 4 HomePod minis connected and worked flawlessly.

Now with every Mac and iPad and iPhone fully updated, we can rarely connect to any of our HomePods quickly, and when one finally connects it disconnects randomly. Very, very frustrating.

Is anyone else experiencing this, and found any fix?

I found having to reconnect some of the HomePods to the Home app helped a bit but things are far from as robust and consistent as they were two years ago. What the heck gives. I don’t see much chatter about this on Mac rumors but I can’t be the only one.
 
Two years and several MacOS’s ago our 2 1st gen HomePods, 2 2nd gen HomePods, and 4 HomePod minis connected and worked flawlessly.

Now with every Mac and iPad and iPhone fully updated, we can rarely connect to any of our HomePods quickly, and when one finally connects it disconnects randomly. Very, very frustrating.

Is anyone else experiencing this, and found any fix?

I found having to reconnect some of the HomePods to the Home app helped a bit but things are far from as robust and consistent as they were two years ago. What the heck gives. I don’t see much chatter about this on Mac rumors but I can’t be the only one.
I have no answers but I share your pain.

What brand router do you have? I have a TP-Link AX55 Pro
 
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I have no answers but I share your pain.

What brand router do you have? I have a TP-Link AX55 Pro

TP-Link Deco.

But what's really crazy is, my wife's iPad Air (the last one with the button on the front) has NO PROBLEMS connecting to any one of the HomePods. But I can't with my M1 iPads or M1 MacBook Air. Could it be a processor thing...? This is nuts, I can't even use my HomePods. It makes a connection (supposedly) because the iPad speaker drops, and I see the HomePod icons in the control panel, but zero sound/volume.
 
I have a TP-Link Deco BE11000. No issues with my several HomePods connecting, responding to commands or streaming music. I have two original HomePods and 6 minis.
 
i have HPMs and they seem to function how they always have.
Very lucky. We have a pretty solid router with satellites throughout the house and yet we have very sporadic, unpredictable, and unstable connectivity to four HP's and four HPmini's, whether using my M1 iPad or my wife's pre-M1 iPad Air. So disappointing, our HomePods are "useless" until I find the culprit or Apple fixes whatever instability crept into things in the last year. The only thing that's changed in the past 2 years is updating operating systems.
 
Very lucky. We have a pretty solid router with satellites throughout the house and yet we have very sporadic, unpredictable, and unstable connectivity to four HP's and four HPmini's, whether using my M1 iPad or my wife's pre-M1 iPad Air. So disappointing, our HomePods are "useless" until I find the culprit or Apple fixes whatever instability crept into things in the last year. The only thing that's changed in the past 2 years is updating operating systems.
Are you using the Deco as a router as well, or are you using your ISP's gateway as the router (i.e., is your Deco system in Access Point mode or Router mode)?

It's possible that something with however your IP addresses are being handed out (your NAT server) is causing problems.

I use a Deco BE11000 system in access point mode and use a Firewalla Gold SE as a router. I have two ISPs, and each of their gateways are in bridge mode so I've only got my Firewalla handing out NAT addresses (so no double NAT issues to contend with).
 
Are you using the Deco as a router as well, or are you using your ISP's gateway as the router (i.e., is your Deco system in Access Point mode or Router mode)?

It's possible that something with however your IP addresses are being handed out (your NAT server) is causing problems.

I use a Deco BE11000 system in access point mode and use a Firewalla Gold SE as a router. I have two ISPs, and each of their gateways are in bridge mode so I've only got my Firewalla handing out NAT addresses (so no double NAT issues to contend with).
I’ll have to investigate to answer. What I can say is I changed nothing (hardware) in the past few years, from the time things were bulletproof to now. Thanks!
 
Two years and several MacOS’s ago our 2 1st gen HomePods, 2 2nd gen HomePods, and 4 HomePod minis connected and worked flawlessly.

Now with every Mac and iPad and iPhone fully updated, we can rarely connect to any of our HomePods quickly, and when one finally connects it disconnects randomly. Very, very frustrating.

Is anyone else experiencing this, and found any fix?

I found having to reconnect some of the HomePods to the Home app helped a bit but things are far from as robust and consistent as they were two years ago. What the heck gives. I don’t see much chatter about this on Mac rumors but I can’t be the only one.
In June of 2020 I upgraded my HomePod and it hasn't be reliable since. Worked 24x7 prior to the update and randomly disconnects ever since. I was able to narrow it down to a specific set of circumstances which would cause the disconnect every single time. Apple investigated and without even trying to reproduce the circumstances denied there was a problem and just passed the buck to my wifi trying to suggest it could not handle the data rate - of audio?

Have you recently upgraded the HomePod OS? That was my mistake. Although it does make for a nice paperweight.
 
Yes for all.
Then you might have a nice set of paperweights like me. Unfortunately, Apple does not have the same caliber of programmers it once had. If you are able to determine what the underlying issue is, you may be able to find a work-around. As stated, I did figure out what the problem was in my case. However, I was unwilling to remove the incompatible hardware (an Apple AirPort Express used as a wired only device to provide music to built-in speakers) from my setup.

After my 6 week ordeal with Apple Support ended with Apple denying the problem was on their end (and since Apple will not allow a Firmware/ HomePod OS downgrade), my solution ended up being SONOS. The sound is not as good, the aesthetics are not as good, but it works consistently. Good enough for me to purchase a second unit for another room.
 
Then you might have a nice set of paperweights like me. Unfortunately, Apple does not have the same caliber of programmers it once had. If you are able to determine what the underlying issue is, you may be able to find a work-around. As stated, I did figure out what the problem was in my case. However, I was unwilling to remove the incompatible hardware (an Apple AirPort Express used as a wired only device to provide music to built-in speakers) from my setup.

After my 6 week ordeal with Apple Support ended with Apple denying the problem was on their end (and since Apple will not allow a Firmware/ HomePod OS downgrade), my solution ended up being SONOS. The sound is not as good, the aesthetics are not as good, but it works consistently. Good enough for me to purchase a second unit for another room.
Sonos has had their fair share of (huge) problems recently. I have a substantial Sonos system in my home (two full surround systems plus 3 other stereo pairs) and went through weeks of virtually non-functional speakers before they got it sorted. Then had several more weeks of one room working at a time, but with the inability to play music in multiple rooms. Sonos updated both their server backend and their frontend app at the same time and did very poor quality control. Completely broken for thousands of users.

Meanwhile, my HomePods (mostly HomePod minis) worked perfectly.

It's only been about 5-6 weeks now that everything is back in full working order (i.e., playing audio in multiple rooms without random dropouts). If you want to read about some of the problems, check out r/sonos on Reddit. Sonos lost a ton of stock price value during the whole debacle.
 
My homepods work as well as they always have; that is to say they work great as long as I don't need to interact with Siri on them in any way shape or form 🤣
 
Sonos has had their fair share of (huge) problems recently. I have a substantial Sonos system in my home (two full surround systems plus 3 other stereo pairs) and went through weeks of virtually non-functional speakers before they got it sorted. Then had several more weeks of one room working at a time, but with the inability to play music in multiple rooms. Sonos updated both their server backend and their frontend app at the same time and did very poor quality control. Completely broken for thousands of users.

Meanwhile, my HomePods (mostly HomePod minis) worked perfectly.

It's only been about 5-6 weeks now that everything is back in full working order (i.e., playing audio in multiple rooms without random dropouts). If you want to read about some of the problems, check out r/sonos on Reddit. Sonos lost a ton of stock price value during the whole debacle.
I have heard about their problems. However, I learned my lesson from Apple and never update if it works... and mine work.
 
My homepods work as well as they always have; that is to say they work great as long as I don't need to interact with Siri on them in any way shape or form 🤣
I had (have) all of one HomePod and it was configured to be a speaker only. I don't want something "listening in". In my case I foolishly updated the HomePod software and it has not worked consistently since... and I was very reluctant to even go the HomePod route because Apple (in their infinite stupidity) required me to upgrade to two-factor authentication for the initial setup. Now I have a useless HomePod and am constantly bothered with Apple sending me authentication messages.
 
I have heard about their problems. However, I learned my lesson from Apple and never update if it works... and mine work.
This wasn't a voluntary update from Sonos. One could not opt out. It was a change in their entire infrastructure and a redesign of the app on the app store. It broke whether you updated the app on your phone and/or the firmware on your speakers or not. Unless you had a single speaker or were very lucky to have a network setup exactly like they had in their "test" labs (if they actually did any testing), you were affected -- regardless of what system versions your equipment was running.

Some Android users who had saved a copy of the old app's .apk file were able to get some functionality back by sideloading it, but that's not something that was applicable to iOS/iPadOS. The Mac app was able to at least do things like getting a speaker to stop playing when the iPhone app would no longer communicate with the Sonos servers or speakers. People had speakers spontaneously turn itself to volume 0 or volume 100. Play commands were sometimes delayed by hours, starting in the middle of the night long after people gave up trying to get it to work (nice surprise to wake up to). People would start a stream then literally lose control of it, necessitating physically unplugging the speaker from the AC just to get it to stop. Some had entire multiroom speaker systems simply disappear from their app and account, requiring multiple hard resets of all their gear and redoing all of their room assignments from scratch, if they could even get them to connect at all. Some people, like me, had trouble getting the speakers to actually produce any sound (app looked like it was playing... but speaker(s) remained silent or would repeatedly drop the stream for 10-15 seconds at a time). For whatever brilliant reason, they decided that all speaker control needed to go from your phone, up to their servers -- including for things like volume changes -- then back down to your speakers, instead of just controlling everything locally like it used to. And the latency was measured sometimes in minutes, not milliseconds.

It was literally months before Sonos actually admitted there was a problem (and would just blame users' wifi systems for the trouble). Then the CEO wrote a half-assed letter of apology and sent it to all their registered users taking the blame for the lack of testing and even rehired all (or many) of the engineers they laid off to come back and fix the app, including the architect of the original Sonos app.

The new app still doesn't have feature parity with the old one, but at least the Sonos system works now.
 
I had (have) all of one HomePod and it was configured to be a speaker only. I don't want something "listening in". In my case I foolishly updated the HomePod software and it has not worked consistently since... and I was very reluctant to even go the HomePod route because Apple (in their infinite stupidity) required me to upgrade to two-factor authentication for the initial setup. Now I have a useless HomePod and am constantly bothered with Apple sending me authentication messages.
Sorry to hear about your HomePod problems, but not having 2FA these days, especially on something so potentially important as one's Apple ID (Apple Account) is really asking for trouble.
 
This wasn't a voluntary update from Sonos. One could not opt out. It was a change in their entire infrastructure and a redesign of the app on the app store. It broke whether you updated the app on your phone and/or the firmware on your speakers or not. Unless you had a single speaker or were very lucky to have a network setup exactly like they had in their "test" labs (if they actually did any testing), you were affected -- regardless of what system versions your equipment was running.

Some Android users who had saved a copy of the old app's .apk file were able to get some functionality back by sideloading it, but that's not something that was applicable to iOS/iPadOS. The Mac app was able to at least do things like getting a speaker to stop playing when the iPhone app would no longer communicate with the Sonos servers or speakers. People had speakers spontaneously turn itself to volume 0 or volume 100. Play commands were sometimes delayed by hours, starting in the middle of the night long after people gave up trying to get it to work (nice surprise to wake up to). People would start a stream then literally lose control of it, necessitating physically unplugging the speaker from the AC just to get it to stop. Some had entire multiroom speaker systems simply disappear from their app and account, requiring multiple hard resets of all their gear and redoing all of their room assignments from scratch, if they could even get them to connect at all. Some people, like me, had trouble getting the speakers to actually produce any sound (app looked like it was playing... but speaker(s) remained silent or would repeatedly drop the stream for 10-15 seconds at a time). For whatever brilliant reason, they decided that all speaker control needed to go from your phone, up to their servers -- including for things like volume changes -- then back down to your speakers, instead of just controlling everything locally like it used to. And the latency was measured sometimes in minutes, not milliseconds.

It was literally months before Sonos actually admitted there was a problem (and would just blame users' wifi systems for the trouble). Then the CEO wrote a half-assed letter of apology and sent it to all their registered users taking the blame for the lack of testing and even rehired all (or many) of the engineers they laid off to come back and fix the app, including the architect of the original Sonos app.

The new app still doesn't have feature parity with the old one, but at least the Sonos system works now.
I find that interesting... I have not updated anything since purchase and installation several years ago. In fact, it has probably been 2+ years since I even launched the app on my phone. Nothing has stopped working nor have I experienced any problems. However, I am a very simple user in that I stream audio from my computer to the speakers. That's it. My speakers do not have microphones, so no "voice" functionality and I do not stream from anything other than the computer (using AirPlay2). Are you suggesting the speaker will not function without internet access to SONOS servers?
 
Sonos has had their fair share of (huge) problems recently. I have a substantial Sonos system in my home (two full surround systems plus 3 other stereo pairs) and went through weeks of virtually non-functional speakers before they got it sorted. Then had several more weeks of one room working at a time, but with the inability to play music in multiple rooms. Sonos updated both their server backend and their frontend app at the same time and did very poor quality control. Completely broken for thousands of users.

Meanwhile, my HomePods (mostly HomePod minis) worked perfectly.

It's only been about 5-6 weeks now that everything is back in full working order (i.e., playing audio in multiple rooms without random dropouts). If you want to read about some of the problems, check out r/sonos on Reddit. Sonos lost a ton of stock price value during the whole debacle.

I've had the reverse of that. I got frustrated with 2x HomePod Mini's not being able to stream Stereo (only one channel worked most of the time), and switched to Sonos. I just don't have that problem anymore with 2x Sonos One's.
 
I've had the reverse of that. I got frustrated with 2x HomePod Mini's not being able to stream Stereo (only one channel worked most of the time), and switched to Sonos. I just don't have that problem anymore with 2x Sonos One's.
That happens to mine over and over again. I have 2 in one bedroom that always plays in stereo as expected, but randomly doesn't play when I ask Siri to play on all speakers, room, HomePods. I have 10 total. I have another 2 in the Study and it's set up for stereo. That one sometimes plays in stereo, sometimes it's just one speaker. No amount of resets, set up as new, reboot VELOP system(why do I have to do that when every other wifi device works perfectly fine), change radio channel....yada yada yada. HomePod OS is just junk. Sound is awesome though. Thats about the only reason I keep them.
 
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That happens to mine over and over again. I have 2 in one bedroom that always plays in stereo as expected, but randomly doesn't play when I ask Siri to play on all speakers, room, HomePods. I have 10 total. I have another 2 in the Study and it's set up for stereo. That one sometimes plays in stereo, sometimes it's just one speaker. No amount of resets, set up as new, reboot VELOP system(why do I have to do that when every other wifi device works perfectly fine), change radio channel....yada yada yada. HomePod OS is just junk. Sound is awesome though. Thats about the only reason I keep them.
Try giving the HomePods static IP addresses.
 
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