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HongMeng OS

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Does not matter how bad Huawei can be in the eyes of certain individuals or countries. The scenario reminds one of the near daily high jacking incidents in Middle East during 70s, the advice is against taking Middle Eastern airlines, yet the airlines argument are they know all the hijackers, not a single high jack mischief makers can disrupt their airlines.;)
 
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AustinIllini said:
I'm not sure there's anything this OS can do which would ever lead me to leave iOS or Android.
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I would not leave either one for it but I would put it on the try list. Either as option 2 if one already has Android or IOS or option 3 if one has both.
 
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alpi123 said:
I wouldn't really expect it to be more secure than iOS (or even Android). It's China we're talking about.
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More to the point it is Huawei...they are not a trustworthy company....why expect there OS to be any different.
 
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alpi123 said:
I wouldn't really expect it to be more secure than iOS (or even Android). It's China we're talking about.
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China has around 1.4 Billion people and I think half probably tried to break security measures at one point or another so I reckon that by now they have quite a bit of experience dealing with network security. You would be surprised at their capabilities ;) They make payments via WeChat and Alibaba online via smartphone and if I am not mistaken they guarantee that amount up to 1 Million Yuan in that account. They must have quite a bit of confidence to guarantee that amount of money for each account holder if their system was not secure.
 
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pika2000 said:
Regardless, there's just no room for a 3rd smartphone OS. Ask Microsoft.
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Don't count them out. Microsoft was attempting to compete with 3 other western operating systems at the time - iOS, Android, and to a lesser extent BlackBerry. Their market was saturated upon their arrival.

HongMengOS is not in the same market. They only need to dominate in China to get a foothold. With that done, they can expand. Even if they lose all business outside of China, they can still gain traction. They have everything to gain, and nothing to lose. Plus, they will certainly get the weight of the Chinese government behind them.
 
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nouveau_redneck said:
Don't count them out. Microsoft was attempting to compete with 3 other western operating systems at the time - iOS, Android, and to a lesser extent BlackBerry. Their market was saturated upon their arrival.

HongMengOS is not in the same market. They only need to dominate in China to get a foothold. With that done, they can expand. Even if they lose all business outside of China, they can still gain traction. They have everything to gain, and nothing to lose. Plus, they will certainly get the weight of the Chinese government behind them.
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I think the bolded above is a double edged sword.....especially since this is Huawei.
 
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jamezr said:
I think the bolded above is a double edged sword.....especially since this is Huawei.
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For competing in the west, perhaps--certainly for operating in the US and close allies. But, eastern countries and emerging markets are probably a different story.
 
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AustinIllini said:
Honestly, there may only be room if a large portion of China adopts the OS. Otherwise, this OS should get no traction in the West.
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The whole of China can use it, but it's still won't be relevant outside China without Google Play. Case in point all the Chinese phones. MiUI, eMUI, FunTouch OS, etc, the Chinese version all don't have Google Play store. But they all include Google Play store for the global non-China version.
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For competing in the west, perhaps--certainly for operating in the US and close allies. But, eastern countries and emerging markets are probably a different story.
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Nope. Outside China, you must have Google Play store. Even all the Chinese phones put Google Play store in their global ROMs. There's no way Huawei can convince regular consumer that their OS has the same library of apps as actual Android sanctioned by Google. Some might try at first, but in the end they will know they are not getting the real deal.

It's been done before. Samsung Tizen, Blackberry 10, etc.
 
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pika2000 said:
The whole of China can use it, but it's still won't be relevant outside China without Google Play. Case in point all the Chinese phones. MiUI, eMUI, FunTouch OS, etc, the Chinese version all don't have Google Play store. But they all include Google Play store for the global non-China version.
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Nope. Outside China, you must have Google Play store. Even all the Chinese phones put Google Play store in their global ROMs. There's no way Huawei can convince regular consumer that their OS has the same library of apps as actual Android sanctioned by Google. Some might try at first, but in the end they will know they are not getting the real deal.

It's been done before. Samsung Tizen, Blackberry 10, etc.
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Actually many countries in Asia now accept WeChat Pay and Alipay. I believe there are over 900 million users now using it now in Asia. That number is nothing to sneeze at. Those numbers are roughly 2.5 times the US population.
 
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stylinexpat said:
Actually many countries in Asia now accept WeChat Pay and Alipay. I believe there are over 900 million users now using it now in Asia. That number is nothing to sneeze at. Those numbers are roughly 2.5 times the US population.
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WeChat and Alipay are available on iOS and Android. Thus more reason a third OS won't matter when people can already use those on the existing platforms.
 
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pika2000 said:
WeChat and Alipay are available on iOS and Android. Thus more reason a third OS won't matter when people can already use those on the existing platforms.
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That is true but they also have them available on the Huawei Gallery App Store as well. I am not sure what the downloads numbers are in statistics when you compare what numbers were downloaded from the Google Play Store app and which ones were downloaded from the Huawei Gallery App Store. I would “Guess” that the majority in China were downloaded from the “Huawei Gallery App Store” and the rest of the users in Asia most likely downloaded it from the Google Play App Store.

The main point being though is whether or not Google Play Store exists WeChat Pay and Ali Pay will still do well in Asia while maybe not so well in America and Europe. The Asian market itself is quite large as is. China can actually dominate the market or come close to doing so but with it being banned from Google Play Store then dominance of market share is out of the question. Banning competition is actually a form of monopoly by keeping competitors out of market.
 
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That is true but they also have them available on the Huawei Gallery App Store as well. I am not sure what the downloads numbers are in statistics when you compare what numbers were downloaded from the Google Play Store app and which ones were downloaded from the Huawei Gallery App Store. I would “Guess” that the majority in China were downloaded from the “Huawei Gallery App Store” and the rest of the users in Asia most likely downloaded it from the Google Play App Store.

The main point being though is whether or not Google Play Store exists WeChat Pay and Ali Pay will still do well in Asia while maybe not so well in America and Europe. The Asian market itself is quite large as is. China can actually dominate the market or come close to doing so but with it being banned from Google Play Store then dominance of market share is out of the question. Banning competition is actually a form of monopoly by keeping competitors out of market.
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In China, sure. It's obvious. Currently there's no Google Play store in China, so China has been operating without Google already. Nothing new here.

But the point is outside China. All the current Chinese global ROMs include Google Play store, because they know that nobody will buy a phone without access to Google Play store. All you need is for a friend to ask you "why don't you have this app/game? Oh your phone is not Google?" And since WeChat Pay and Alipay exist already on iOS and Android, people won't bother trying out a new platform where the rest of the apps they want don't exist.

China was the one that banned many services from US companies to begin with. So it's silly to point out "poor China for being banned."
 
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pika2000 said:
In China, sure. It's obvious. Currently there's no Google Play store in China, so China has been operating without Google already. Nothing new here.

But the point is outside China. All the current Chinese global ROMs include Google Play store, because they know that nobody will buy a phone without access to Google Play store. All you need is for a friend to ask you "why don't you have this app/game? Oh your phone is not Google?" And since WeChat Pay and Alipay exist already on iOS and Android, people won't bother trying out a new platform where the rest of the apps they want don't exist.

China was the one that banned many services from US companies to begin with. So it's silly to point out "poor China for being banned."
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I know in Shenzhen when locals buy a smartphone at a smartphone store they usually have 1-3 software engineers at the store working that help the customer install what ever they need when they buy the smartphone from them. This is quite common in China. The smartphone comes with the local Huawei Gallery app but customers are asked if they need or want the Google Play App Store and if they want it then they install it for them on their smartphone. Many in China would only buy the smartphone from the shop that would offer them this service so in the end most ended up providing this service so that they would not lose out on sale and customer leaving to another shop. So while not officially available the majority of the shops will install it for you. This reminds me of the days when people bought a computer and the shop offered to install Windows for them for free or a small fee if they bought computer from them.
 
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pika2000 said:
In China, sure. It's obvious. Currently there's no Google Play store in China, so China has been operating without Google already. Nothing new here.

China was the one that banned many services from US companies to begin with. So it's silly to point out "poor China for being banned."
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In China most information is censored and controlled by the government.
Here is a list of blocked websites, news orgs and and apps

https://startuplivingchina.com/list-websites-apps-blocked-china/
 
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