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hotz on cnn

jmann said:
That's cool. I don't know how I feel about this "exploit that will work with an unreleased product" I think that sounds a bit far fetched.
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MuscleNerd thinks so, too. But George seems very confident, and I've long since learned not to question anything he claims he can do. He says it's not an iBoot exploit, so he must think he has something pretty innovative that Apple wouldn't even think to write out of 4.0.
 
jmann said:
That's cool. I don't know how I feel about this "exploit that will work with an unreleased product" I think that sounds a bit far fetched.
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I dont know jmann, the cheeky bastard might be on to something. I am not a hacker so I dont know how the coding looks on the iphone but the reason I think he may be speaking the truth is that the iphone has had, what 4 variations...
-iPhone
-iPhone 2g
-iPhone 3g
-iPhone 3gS

Maybe he has looked at the coding for all four models and seen or noticed a similarity in the coding through all 4 and believes that apple will continue to use the same coding for the 4g. I am kind of pissed he would make a public mention of it and give Steve Jobs and his newly founded "iPhone S.S.(Software Security...lol I like the pun) Troopers" the ability to stop him before he gets a chance to expose and exploit it.

But all in all, great article. I am also surprised CNN out of all news groups would be accurate and some-what indepth about JB.

Only time tells what the future holds, and truth be told I think Steve Jobs even has a "Jailbroken" iphone
 
thelatinist said:
MuscleNerd thinks so, too. But George seems very confident, and I've long since learned not to question anything he claims he can do. He says it's not an iBoot exploit, so he must think he has something pretty innovative that Apple wouldn't even think to write out of 4.0.
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Well let's hope that he is right. When I get the new iPhone in June, I am going to be very happy if it is jailbreakable right away (whether or not anything is really going to work well with it to begin with). I just hope that Apple puts some kickass features into 4.0 so I don't miss my current jailbreak stuff *mainly quickreply*. :)
 
Amazing, but I don't understand why he stated he could already JB the 4th generation, unless like a poster stated above he knows the code can't change and he has an exploit for that.
 
iphone.aggie said:
Amazing, but I don't understand why he stated he could already JB the 4th generation, unless like a poster stated above he knows the code can't change and he has an exploit for that.
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Thats what Im thinking, unless he has a "deep throat" on the inside of Apple. lol the story's that would make on the gadget news sites.

But honestly I think thats why he said that, I mean thats how this coding game works right? you make a piece of code it has flaws, and faults but overall works and you just keep building onto it right?
 
Sir S.A.B. said:
I am kind of pissed he would make a public mention of it and give Steve Jobs and his newly founded "iPhone S.S.(Software Security...lol I like the pun) Troopers" the ability to stop him before he gets a chance to expose and exploit it.
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He has always been like that though. I think that your idea is possible. He might be using an exploit somewhere in the OS that no one is going to be expecting. And probably something that hasn't changed in the past two revisions of the iPhone.

P.S. There has only been 3 iPhone so far not 4. :p:D
 
Sir S.A.B. said:
Thats what Im thinking, unless he has a "deep throat" on the inside of Apple. lol the story's that would make on the gadget news sites.
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It would not surprise me if Geohot is cooperating with Apple in some fashion. Hear me out:

It is every bit in Apple's best interest that the jailbreak community continues to thrive. The JB community is a handy test-bed and font of fresh ideas without the liability of support costs. You can bounce a lot of fragile stuff off of JBers and if it bricks their phone or causes other issues, they shrug it off like a sporting injury. And the JB community has come up with many great ideas including user interface features that Apple would be wise to borrow in future releases.

Look at the history of any operating system. Nifty little utilities that folks used to download from bulletin boards or buy at the store eventually got built-into the systems' standard configurations. Calendars, calculators, messaging systems, etc. None of those used to come standard. But people like 'em, so Apple and Microsoft wisely started building them in. It is inconceivable that Apple wouldn't be checking out the stuff in the App Store looking for ideas to graft into the next release so they can keep a step ahead of Android, WebOS etc. Ditto--in spades--for the jailbreakers and their nifty apps.

If I'm right, then: Hey, Apple: check out Backgrounder on Cydia.

Another thought: the jailbreak community is another way to market-test and refine stuff that AT&T currently blocks. If I'm correct on that, I'd expect a leak of Flash to hit Cydia before long. AT&T, more than Apple, stands to lose if Flash usage skyrockets. Just consider how a hotel WiFi network bogs down at night when residents start doing their nightly movie watching or porn surfing or whatever the hell they do. (And consider: the iPhone can be held with one hand... [grin].) But it's very much in Apple's best interest to counter the Android and Pre threats with some sort of Flash capability. How best to test a release candidate as AT&T's exclusivity draws to a close in the next half-year or so? I'm quite sure the JB community is up to the task.
 
I understand what your saying sjinsjca,

Alot of people have negative or questionable feelings about Jailbreaking until you show them what you can do with a JB'd phone verses a Factory Phone and their facial expressions go from :( >>> :confused: >>> :rolleyes: >>>> :eek: >>> :D

Lol No lie, I have shown a couple co-workers and the first thing that came up once the topic was brought up was "but cant you break your iphone" hell, u can "break" your iphone by accidentally dropping it down a flight of stairs, or into your drink at the club. but shortly after they see the new possibilities they jump on the bandwagon.

But to get back on topic with your last post,

Apple + AT&T has formed a elite arse partnership, the iPhone has spawned a entire generation of handsets, all these new phones coming out all look like cheap clones of the iPhone.

For iPhone to shut down the JB community, honestly I doubt it would effect them far as sales wise, because the iphone as factory set is still an amazing phone and worth the contract or flat out pay. but the JB community i think is forcing itself to become an important factor in the future progress of the companies software and GUI add on's and updates. like another user said, they can test things within the JB community that if it messes up a phone we will say to ourselves "Ok, I'll just re-jailbreak my phone and not do that one again"

LMAO, I wonder how many people who create apps for cydia are actually doing it under the authorization or funding of Apple. Hell I'll even step out on a branch here and say I wonder if the dev-team is funded or giving additional information from Apple to assist in JB'n and they(Apple) just puts up a front of "Oh, this isnt kool" to keep people interested.

Jailbreak is as close to an Open-Source Phone as one is going to get out in the general public market place. I swear, when Open-Source phone's become widely accepted and available we are probably going to find out that Jailbreaking, Dev-team, Hotz and others were all linked in with Apple some how some way.
 
I do believe the whole already jailbroken 4th Gen iPhone.

Think of it this way. He discovered a new hole in the iPhone 3GS that Apple doesn't know about. So, he exploits and puts it to good use (like a jailbreak). However, he doesn't release or tell anyone what the exploit is. Then by the time the next generation iPhone is out, it carries that same exploit and thus makes the 4th Gen iPhone exploitable. Now you can all say in unison "Oh Exploitable!".
 
"Personally I love that Apple keeps the iPhone closed," Hotz said. "This is a personal hobby; it'd be no fun if Apple didn't have it closed anymore. Get a Jailbreak cop and then I'll show them what I can really do."
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This made me smile. :)
 
A mediocre hacker gets pissed when they patch his exploit. A great hacker already has another hack for that patch.
 
i also love how he got booted outta dev-team...and it really looks as if he was the dev-team, cuz he is killing them!
 
Applejuiced said:
How come he got booted off the dev-team?
I wouldnt say he's killing the Dev-team cause basicly they're still on the same side and working towards the same goals even sharing code. He is killing Apple though :)
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He got booted because of difference of opinions (software v hardware unlock) not because he released code (at least at the time he didn't). He did say he used some software developed during his Dev Team days to achieve the unlock, maybe it was that software he released.

Mind you, this was all back in 2007.
 
Interesting, thanks.
I like his quote below about the Dev-team waiting to release the 3.0 3GS jailbreak.

"Normally I don't make tools for the general public, and rather wait for the dev team to do it. But guys, whats up with waiting until 3.1? That isn't how the game is played. We release, Apple fixes, we find new holes. It isn't worth waiting because you might have the "last" hole in the iPhone. What last hole...this isn't golf. I'll find a new one next week."


jav6454 said:
He got booted because of difference of opinions (software v hardware unlock) not because he released code (at least at the time he didn't). He did say he used some software developed during his Dev Team days to achieve the unlock, maybe it was that software he released.

Mind you, this was all back in 2007.
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Applejuiced said:
Interesting, thanks.
I like his quote below about the Dev-team waiting to release the 3.0 3GS jailbreak.

"Normally I don't make tools for the general public, and rather wait for the dev team to do it. But guys, whats up with waiting until 3.1? That isn't how the game is played. We release, Apple fixes, we find new holes. It isn't worth waiting because you might have the "last" hole in the iPhone. What last hole...this isn't golf. I'll find a new one next week."
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Hotz can be quite cocky at times. Yes there can be holes found, but for the true genius, the wait wasn't for holding out the exploit, is was holding out so that people could buy there 3GS's and have a chance of exploit.

The more they waited, the more people had the exploit and could use it. Hotz however likes to play fast and that can be a problem. Dev Team always works with caution and watching every step and seeing that everything works fine (it just works type deal). Hotz works as fast as possible. End result, it works, but it doesn't (see problems with blacksn0w causing signal drops).

He is a really bright kid, but he needs to slow down and really do his stuff well. Also, listen to others. Just because there is an exploit, doesn't mean you should burn it at once. You are not thinking for the benefit of the larger number.
 
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