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First of all I would like to say I own an iPhone. Anyway, this article from the UK intrigued me. A lot of people accept that the iPhone is the best phone around, but this article talking about Japanese phones seems to suggest their phones are by far more complex and useful than today's phones can offer, even the latest iPhone. How can people say the iPhone is the best IF it is not? Do people just disregard Japanese phones just because they are not sold in Europe or the United States? Here's the story:

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Japanese mobile phone producers recoiled in horror earlier this year when Apple`s iPhone 3gs finally took the top spot in handset sales. Apple's little black box it seems has finally taken hold of the Japanese public. For a country with a history of producing some of the most high-tech phones around, it would be a shame to see the iPhone become the norm just as it has in the west. Desperate to prevent this from happening Japanese phone companies have hit back with a swathe of ultra hi-tech handsets many of which are far more capable than Apple's offering.

Phones in Japan play a slightly different role to those in the United Kingdom. Handset technology has come so far that phones are now totally integrated into everyday life. For example, paying for a drink in your local shop can be done with your phone thanks to its integrated Felica system (essentially an electronic wallet). You can board the train here by tapping through barriers with your phone and then watch your morning TV on the handsets hi-def screen. Friends exchange details by infra-red business cards transferred between phones and shopping can be done by scanning barcodes from adverts on the train.

With the sheer level of technology found in every single handset in Japan, phone producers have been forced to produce some pretty special stuff to separate themselves from the competition. In Japan going shopping for a good phone is like walking into the future. You may have thought that getting google maps on your phone was exciting, but that is old news here. Every single phone has a TV tuner, at least a 3 megapixel camera and a massive screen capable of twisting and turning as if your phone is some sort of miniature Transformer.

Here are a few Japanese phones that laugh in the face of Apple's technology in almost every respect. Just don`t expect to be showing them off to your iPhone buddies down the local pub any time soon as they are unlikely to ever be released in Britain.

1. Hitachi Mobile Hi-Vision Cam WOOO
Not exactly the easiest name to remember, nor is it the prettiest of handsets, bearing more of a resemblance to a cheap handy-cam than a phone. But it's the technology within Hitachi`s latest offering that makes it so special. The WOOO sports a ridiculously oversized camera capable of recording 720p/ 30 frames per sec HD movie footage. It also, as is the norm with most Japanese phones, sports an enormous screen capable of transforming the phone into a widescreen tv (by flipping it on its side). Oh and of course, its available in a nice shiny pink colour.

2. Sharp Solar Phone
Can you imagine if your wallet was battery powered? Can you imagine if it ran out of battery or it got wet? Well in Japan for many their phone is their wallet and the battery running flat is precisely what you don't want. Sharp hopes to combat flat-batt syndrome with a solar powered phone. The Sharp Solar phone has a large solar panel on the front which charges up the handset whenever it is out of your pocket. If that's enough the phone is also waterproof, so its no big concern if you drop it in the sink while doing the washing up. A liquid paper display on the front shows you the intensity of the sun and how much juice its giving your phone. Don't think a summer day is going to let you talk forever though as half an hours worth of sunshine equates to just two minutes of talk time.

3. Docomo T-01A or Toshiba TG01
A sort of gigantic version of the iPhone but running the horrendous Windows Mobile 6.1. The T-01A made by Toshiba has a 4.1" display and a lightning fast Qualcomm 1ghz Snapdragon chipset. Thankfully Toshiba has designed their own interface for the phone which covers up the Windows Mobile misery. The handset itself is incredibly thin and lightweight, lightning fast and capable of matching a laptop in functionality terms. Bearing a dangerously close similarity to the iPhone but sporting all the capabilities of a normal Japanese handset, the T-01A could easily send a few shivers down the spines of Tokyo's Apple store owners.

4. Emobile S22HT
Emobile is the definite Blackberry of Japan with the majority of its phones being targeted at businessmen and Windows Mobile users. Rather than going for the usual pocket-brick approach of the modern day smartphone, the S22HT is small and compact with a pop out keyboard. Weighing in at just 140 grams but with a powerful 528mhz processor it is in essence the smallest possible pocket PC. One thing of note is the design of this phone; it is seems to be two handsets stuck together, with a horrible white back and a sleek black front.

5. Sharp Aquos FullTouch 933SH
Sharp are a big deal out in Japan. Their mobile phones are the must-have accessory for Japanese youth. Most Sharp handsets have incredibly rich and high-contrast screens with high resolution cameras. The 933SH, however, is in a league of its own. It packs features more akin to a Digital SLR than a phone. The phone flips over to reveal a touch screen display and a massive 10 megapixel CCD camera with auto focus. Perhaps the most crazy thing about the camera is that it can hit 12800 iso sensitivity which is the sort of feature you would expect on a top of the range Nikon or Canon camera. Oh and if that wasn`t enough, you get 16gb of internal memory and an LED flash.

I would like to know what you guys think?

AnDy
 

bruinsrme

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My friends daughter just moved back from Japan. While her phone over there was much more powerful in terms as a full blown PDA and email/web device she is now living in the states and has an iphone.
She is making comments routinely regarding the dumbed down functions of the iphone in regards to email functions, bluetooth, calendar and contact syncing and the web limitations.

she likes the iphone but does see its limitations comared to other phones
 

sammich

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Sarcasmville.
The iPod wasn't the first to the market as a HDD based music player, and it doesn't have all the functionality that MP3 players have (even today) but why does it sell? Like the iPhone, people want a phone they can use, rather than a phone that has everything but they are intimidated by the way these features are implemented.
 

covisio

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he functionality that MP3 players have (even today) but why does it sell? Like the iPhone, people want a phone they can use, rather than a phone that has everything but they are intimidated by the way these features are implemented.

Exactly, it's not about what it does, but how it's implemented and how accessible the features are.
Secondly, the App-based feature set of the iPhone means it is infinitely customisable to do what you want it to do. Okay, it doesn't have a 10 megapixel camera, but the vast majority of users just want a camera that is 'good enough', not the ultimate in picture quality.
As usual it's just a typical poke at Apple's success and can be unravelled pretty easily.
 

liptonlover

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What are prices like for these superphones? Do they compete (subsidized) with the iPhone at $99 ^?

Also, it sounds like those phone sacrifice other things like ease of use, and physical design/size.

If those Japanese phones are so far superior to what we have over here, making an ultra-smartphone category, why isn't anyone at least trying to sell them here?

Nate
 

9822737

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What are prices like for these superphones? Do they compete (subsidized) with the iPhone at $99 ^?

Also, it sounds like those phone sacrifice other things like ease of use, and physical design/size.

If those Japanese phones are so far superior to what we have over here, making an ultra-smartphone category, why isn't anyone at least trying to sell them here?

Nate

Very good point about the price, but I have heard people writing the iPhone is the best phone regardless of price.

And also, I think the Japanese phones aren't in other places because their cellular networks are far more advanced than ours and ours couldnt cope with all the data exchange?

I'd also like to add that i'm not agreeing or disagreeing with the article I just found it a very good read and wanted to pass it on.

AnDy.
 

MTI

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I remember with the iPhone was introduced and folks from Japan were amused by all the attention such a puny device was getting, since their phones had live TV streaming, full audio and visual content management and full customization.

The Japanese made the serious investment in telecommunications infrastructure, so it's no wonder that they use their mobiles more like personal computers than mere phones. They have some killer phone bills, though. DoCoMo phones were the envy of most tech journalist when the original CRT based iMacs were being released. ;)
 

Consultant

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USABILITY is a feature.

Example
- Some phone that is advertised with 100 features, with 95 you can't figure out
- iPhone with 30? features all easily accessible, without a need for 100 page manual

Which one is more USEFUL for the end user?
 

RedTomato

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USABILITY is a feature.

Example
- Some phone that is advertised with 100 features, with 95 you can't figure out
- iPhone with 30? features all easily accessible, without a need for 100 page manual

Which one is more USEFUL for the end user?

QFT. I had couple of quite well loaded HTC phones and several Nokia Communicators before getting my iPhone.

I used quite a lot of the featureset of the HTC phones, but over time, used less as it got to be just too much bother.

With the iPhone, I use far more of its features as they are just easier to use.

My non-technical partner had a HTC phone, and to be honest, she struggled to use more than 3 or 4 out of its 100 features. Text message, alarm, and flight mode, and that's it. She couldn't get the hang of photos, or filming, or emails, or internet or MMS at all. These were basically dead modes on the HTC and useless to her.

When she borrows my iPhone, she's able to take photos with a minimum of fiddling about, which is more than she's ever done with her own phone.

She runs a company, but if she can't work out how to deal with photos on a phone, there's something seriously wrong with the phone.

x RedTomato
 

Komiksulo

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So will the next version of the iPhone have some of these 'Japanese' features? :) Are things like the wallet chip standardized so that they would work in both Japan and, say, Canada?
 

alphaod

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A friend of mine has a Sharp phone. It has a built-in privacy screen that you can toggle on and off. That's pretty slick.
 

dontwalkhand

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The reason why iPhones caught on more than those Japanese phones you've mentioned?

Simplicity. Same reason why Macs are superior, when they have in fact, inferior hardware to their PC counterparts. Just because it has more technology, does not mean it is necessarily better. (Take for example, fingerprint readers in laptops, etc)
 

Abstract

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Personally, I think Apple's marketing is just better.

Japanese people have been using GPS on mobile phones for so long that they don't even realise it's a feature. My girlfriend's mobile is around 4-5 years old now, and it can tell her where she is within a train station. It even has the building mapped out. She uses it to buy train tickets and everything else. She doesn't even know what I don't have in my phone.

If I remember correctly, Japan didn't even have "2G." I was so happy that I had internet on my Nokia 5800 and my iPhone, and my girlfriend didn't understand why. :eek:
 
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