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Adamantoise

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Device in question is a 16" M1 Pro MacBook Pro.

While device is presumed to be off (i.e., it has completed the shutdown sequence), any key press causes the machine to boot.

This behavior is new to me; I would like to configure my machine such that the power button and the power button alone can cause the machine to turn on. Is this possible? I've searched around to no avail. I'm not exactly sure what this new feature is solving, but I am unable to clean my keyboard without the machine booting.
 
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TiggrToo

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Device in question is a 16" M1 Pro MacBook Pro.

While device is presumed to be off (i.e., it has completed the shutdown sequence), any key press causes the machine to boot.

This behavior is new to me; I would like to configure my machine such that the power button and the power button alone can cause the machine to turn on. Is this possible? I've searched around to no avail. I'm not exactly sure what this new feature is solving, but I am unable to clean my keyboard without the machine booting.
Sure it’s powered off and not in Sleep mode? I’ve never had this issue myself with any of my Macs - but perhaps I may have missed a setting…
 

BigBlur

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This is just how the newer MacBooks work, starting in 2018. There is no known way to disable it.

Here's one of the many threads on the web with the same issue. Apple's documentation used to mention it.

As for me, I just lock my screen when cleaning my keyboard. It keeps the key presses from triggering stuff.
 
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Adamantoise

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This is just how the newer MacBooks work, starting in 2018. There is no known way to disable it.

Here's one of the many threads on the web with the same issue. Apple's documentation used to mention it.

As for me, I just lock my screen when cleaning my keyboard. It keeps the key presses from triggering stuff.

Thanks.

Yeah just retired one of my older MacBooks and got a new one. This behavior is strange but I guess I'll get used to it eventually. Still not sure what problem it solves but not a deal breaker.
 

russell_314

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So I'm guessing Apple hasn't fixed this yet or no one has figured a workaround for Apple Silicon MacBooks? I found this new "feature" on my new M2 Air and it's the first thing I've actually found that I dislike about it.
 

bbbc

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Also got a new MBA M1 and detest this any key / trackpad garbage. I was able to deal with the lid powering the laptop on via sudo nvram AutoBoot=%03 .
 
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MirceaB

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I work on oil rigs in the UK. My MBP was refused on the helicopter (Bristow) due to this feature. “Could potentially accidentally start up and cause a fire”. Sounds like bull**** to me, but here I am going offshore for 3 weeks without my work MB.
 

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solouki

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Hi MirceaB,

Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't it just the battery alone that constitutes a fire hazard?

In other words, it doesn't actually depend on whether the laptop is ON or OFF, a fire can still result from the laptop's battery. Being ON doesn't really increase this risk of fire since the laptop and its circuitry (CPU,GPU,PDU,etc.) have numerous built-in temperature sensors that will shut it down if it gets too hot (~100C, i.e., way below ignition temperatures), and then it is simply an OFF laptop with whatever fire risk that entails. In order for an ON laptop to increase the fire risk over an OFF laptop, not one, not two, but many (I don't know, but probably something like a dozen or more) temperature sensors would have to simultaneously fail before the laptop would not automatically detect the rising temperatures and shutdown. What are your thoughts?

Is there any experimental evidence that ON laptops are more of a fire risk than OFF laptops?

Solouki
 

geoffgg23

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I work on oil rigs in the UK. My MBP was refused on the helicopter (Bristow) due to this feature. “Could potentially accidentally start up and cause a fire”. Sounds like bull**** to me, but here I am going offshore for 3 weeks without my work MB.
Did you ever find a solution to this? I just had the same thing from Bristows, ridiculous. Only Bristows that takes this extreme view and specifically the **** with glasses, beard and tatts I'm told...
 

Fishrrman

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Mircea wrote:
"I work on oil rigs in the UK. My MBP was refused on the helicopter (Bristow) due to this feature."

You ought to send this experience to Apple as an example as to how the "automatic on" feature can impact users.

They should have a settings option to disable this, if a user needs to.
 
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cruiser34

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was hoping this would be fixed with the Ventura release but no :(
like someone has said, i really don't know what problem this 'power on with anykey/trackpad press' fixes ?
at least give people the option! Apple
 
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louqa

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well since this is the rumours page how about that Apple needs to be able to switch it on in the night when you're asleep... I only say this because a few times now I see my lap top switched on in the morning despite disconnecting from mains and powering off. A little off topic but when this last happened I ran a system report and it turned out this was due to a recently installed (Antares) software having some way to bootup my lap top without any warning/ notification. I cancelled my auto tune subscription and deleted the entire software because of this. Nobody should be able to switch on your personal device but you and in the usual way. And there doesn't seem any explanation by Apple why they have introduced this new feature. Its less helpful than it is helpful and does raise issues of security both fire etc (potentially) but also personal.
 

iStorm

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well since this is the rumours page how about that Apple needs to be able to switch it on in the night when you're asleep... I only say this because a few times now I see my lap top switched on in the morning despite disconnecting from mains and powering off. A little off topic but when this last happened I ran a system report and it turned out this was due to a recently installed (Antares) software having some way to bootup my lap top without any warning/ notification. I cancelled my auto tune subscription and deleted the entire software because of this. Nobody should be able to switch on your personal device but you and in the usual way. And there doesn't seem any explanation by Apple why they have introduced this new feature. Its less helpful than it is helpful and does raise issues of security both fire etc (potentially) but also personal.
Your issue seems to be related to power schedules, which isn't anything new. There's a pmset command to view and set power schedules. I'm not familiar with the Antares Auto-Tune app, but I would be asking them why they've (presumably) added a schedule to turn on your Mac. Perhaps it was some sort of setting you have overlooked.
 

t-sandwich

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Your issue seems to be related to power schedules, which isn't anything new. There's a pmset command to view and set power schedules. I'm not familiar with the Antares Auto-Tune app, but I would be asking them why they've (presumably) added a schedule to turn on your Mac. Perhaps it was some sort of setting you have overlooked.

I believe this is the "network boot" feature. This, at least, can be disabled in battery settings.

As for the keys and touchpad, there is nothing you can do.

There are so many issues with these "features" that it's hard to know where to even begin.

1) one cannot determine if a given computer is asleep or shut down, since any of the usual checks (wiggling the trackpad or pressing a key) will boot it in the first place

2) it follows from (1) that the process for making sure the computer is off is to boot the computer and then shut it down - incredibly stupid

3) the computer is booted accidentally in a myriad of ways such as cleaning the computer, or simply setting it up on a workdesk - things that should not whatsoever be coupled - and whose coupling produces literally no benefits as far as I can tell

4) the computer frequently loses charge completely since there are a myriad of unintuitive ways it can be accidentally booted - image a kid opens the laptop, immediately booting it - this computer will die and have 0 charge - maybe right before your big board meeting!

5) from (4), since the computer will power down unexpectedly (since sleeping loses charge massively faster than being shut down), the NTP issues associated with complete battery loss will be more likely to crop up, as was the case for me when I last night tried to use my computer to do basic web browsing and spent an hour debugging NTP (for the curious, https://www.reddit.com/r/mac/comments/181ma10 )

Other than a laser thermometer I'm really not sure how I'm supposed to know if the computer is booted. Solving that problem is basically a matter of process. Not that you should have to waste brainpower on this, but the "algorithm" for me going forward will be, I think, to basically never ever close it, unless it's completely powered off. This way, I can at least feel confident I'm not going to drain the battery (which is bad for the battery). I've also noticed the power supply light is "smart" in some way - green means a full boot is happening, or so I gather.

I'm trying to image how low your IQ would have to be before these features would be a benefit. Imaging furiously typing at the computer unable to fathom why the screen is black! Whatever is this mystery??? Fear not, Apple has your back. Finally, a computer my cat and seismic activity can turn on!

It's not crazy to speculate that this won't be fixed, simply because en masse it wears out the hardware faster. This is the same company that slowed down phones to "save the battery" - batteries which, at the time, were replaceable.

My Macbook M3 was a pretty big investment and this feature is already souring my experience.
 
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DDMD

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This is dangerous. I’ve had my MacBook Pro boot in my backpack and overheat while on an airplane in the overhead compartment! One power button is enough. We don’t need the whole keyboard. Apple, please give us the option.
 
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Iwavvns

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It will also boot if you press the trackpad, at least my M1 MacBook Air does. I suspect that the system is never completely shut down, even after the so-called "shutdown sequence". There has to be something running to detect that the user has pressed the trackpad, since the trackpad doesn't actually move. I suspect that the trackpad may be a sort of capacitive touch screen and that bridgeOS may be behind it all. bridgeOS was what ran on the TouchBar MacBook Pros back when that hardware was present.
 

Fishrrman

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Apple could address this with a "system settings" pane, offering the user the default, along with a set of custom options...
 
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