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Ratsaremyfreinds

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i mean in a desktop with a real cooler? to me it seems they can get 50000points on geek bench and like 35000 on cinebench
 

cmaier

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i mean in a desktop with a real cooler? to me it seems they can get 50000points on geek bench and like 35000 on cinebench

Apple could pretty easily get away with 5x the power consumption or more, with a desktop cooler. So multiply existing scores by around that number. Single core speed is much harder to improve, because regardless of power budget there are limits to what the chip, as currently designed, can do. Increasing clock speed beyond a certain number would require a re-design. Adding cores is much easier.
 

leman

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Apple ships computers with CPUs that draw over 250 watts and GPUs that draw 300 watts or more. M1 is 15-20 watts at it's peak. Extrapolate from there :)
 

cmaier

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Apple ships computers with CPUs that draw over 250 watts and GPUs that draw 300 watts or more. M1 is 15-20 watts at it's peak. Extrapolate from there :)

Yep, though I doubt Apple would go beyond 100W (for CPU) except for the Mac Pro. 100W is a pretty nice sweet spot for a typical desktop, given air cooling solutions and assuming a package size of a couple cm per side.
 

quarkysg

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I think Apple will design all their SoCs with mobile applications in mind first, and scale up from there. Probably unlikely for them to target 200-300W.
 

leman

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Yep, though I doubt Apple would go beyond 100W (for CPU) except for the Mac Pro. 100W is a pretty nice sweet spot for a typical desktop, given air cooling solutions and assuming a package size of a couple cm per side.

I agree, I dint see an iMac CPU going over 60-80 watts either. Should still be sufficient to pack 16 high-perf cores which would be roughly equivalent to a 32-core Threadripper, which in turn would be more than sufficient for an AIO desktop...
 

Admiral

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I agree, I dint see an iMac CPU going over 60-80 watts either. Should still be sufficient to pack 16 high-perf cores which would be roughly equivalent to a 32-core Threadripper, which in turn would be more than sufficient for an AIO desktop...

Just imagine being able to go toe-to-toe with a 32-core Threadripper in a 60W power envelope. Good grief.
 

quarkysg

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Just imagine being able to go toe-to-toe with a 32-core Threadripper in a 60W power envelope. Good grief.
Heh heh. I doubt Apple will go all out on their first outing tho.

I suspect Apple will go with a more conservative 8/12 + 4 CPU cores and 16-24 GPU (higher clocked compared to M1) cores for the 27" iMacs, with 256-bit DDR5 memory bus (maybe with a slim chance of DIMMs modules even). That should provide them enough 2x/3x (at least for the CPU) bragging rights compared to the replaced models.
 
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