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How long do you think MP 5.1 will be officially supported?

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koalb

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So I've got a 5.1 MP that I just updated the graphics card. Running Mojave and life is good – it does everything I need it to do.

As we anticipate another generation of MacOS this week – it made me wonder – how much longer until Apple stops supporting this unit? My presumption is that given all the screw-ups with the MP product line, they'll err on the side of being generous.

Just curious.
 
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A few weeks ago I would have said the 5,1 would most likely get 10.15. But since the MDS vulnerability was published and Intel made the decision not to issue microcode updates for any processor used in the 5,1 I think there's a better than even chance that they artificially cut off support for the 5,1 in 10.15 to force people off the platform. Especially since they are widely expected to introduce the MacPro7,1 at WWDC.

We will know for sure in two days.
 
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I'd guess (hope?) 10.15 will be supported on 5,1, probably the last though. My reasoning is that I'd read somewhere that 5,1 is still widely used in house by developers, so I'd think/guess much of the 10.15 work was probably done on 5,1's, so it's already "supported" per se. Unless the 7,1 is actually already ready to go and is already in wide usage in-house, then all bets are off.

Of course, I probably just jinxed things by putting in a PCIe/NVMe in my 5,1 today...
 
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I would believe that will really depend upon how close the new Mac Pro is to release.

If still a way off then could see the 5,1 getting support. If they announce or preview the Mac Pro at wwdc then could see that the 5,1 is dropped.

There is going to be huge uproar on the forums whenever they drop the 5,1 so if they have the new Mac Pro available then at least they can point to that as upgrade for people with the 5,1.
 
Getting to Mojave was already the "stretch goal". It had an uncharacteristic asterisk about the Apple-supplied graphics cards not being good enough.
 
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Is AVX available on all the 10.15 supported machines ? To me it seems all the supported machines have ivy bridge or newer cpus which means they all support avx. I wonder if apple compiled Mac OS 10.15 to work only with AVX cpus. If they have it will be hard to hack 10.15 to run on the cMP.
 
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Is AVX available on all the 10.15 supported machines ? To me it seems all the supported machines have ivy bridge or newer cpus which means they all support avx. I wonder if apple compiled Mac OS 10.15 to work only with AVX cpus. If they have it will be hard to hack 10.15 to run on the cMP.
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Apparently so. It was introduced in sandy bridge.
 
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handheldgames said:
I have to say that it's odd that other hardware from 2012, including the mac mini is still supported... Except for the mac pro. The initial blurb I read after the keynote stated apple was supporting all hardware sold in 2012, which should include the mac pro...
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Would have been nice considering mine was purchased new, and manufactured in 2013 ...

Of course I knew this would be the result, I just wanted to see it anyway.

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Hopefully.... @dosdude1 will come to the rescue with an updated hack for Catalina. I guess it depends on how much AVX is used and the performance penalty for working around the missing hardware.
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It's a MM1,1 with 10.7 situation again for the first 10.15 DP, this will probably change later.

If you install 10.15 DP with a compatible Mac using TDM or transplating the disk, you just need to add -no_compat_check to your boot-args.
 
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MP5,1 machdep.cpu.features (mid 2012):
FPU VME DE PSE TSC MSR PAE MCE CX8 APIC SEP MTRR PGE MCA CMOV PAT PSE36 CLFSH DS ACPI MMX FXSR SSE SSE2 SS HTT TM PBE SSE3 PCLMULQDQ DTES64 MON DSCPL VMX SMX EST TM2 SSSE3 CX16 TPR PDCM SSE4.1 SSE4.2 POPCNT AES PCID

MBP11,3 machdep.cpu.features (late 2013):
FPU VME DE PSE TSC MSR PAE MCE CX8 APIC SEP MTRR PGE MCA CMOV PAT PSE36 CLFSH DS ACPI MMX FXSR SSE SSE2 SS HTT TM PBE SSE3 PCLMULQDQ DTES64 MON DSCPL VMX SMX EST TM2 SSSE3 FMA CX16 TPR PDCM SSE4.1 SSE4.2 x2APIC MOVBE POPCNT AES PCID XSAVE OSXSAVE SEGLIM64 TSCTMR AVX1.0 RDRAND F16C

MBP11,3 machdep.cpu.leaf7_features (late 2013):
SMEP ERMS RDWRFSGS TSC_THREAD_OFFSET BMI1 AVX2 BMI2 INVPCID FPU_CSDS IBRS STIBP L1DF SSBD


BOLDED are the differences from similar era machines. MBP11,3 will be supported for 10.15 and MP5,1 will not be officially supported.
 
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