How many GPU TFlops do you expect MBP 16" to have?

[senttoschool]

Base Intel MBP 16" has 5300M which is 3.2 Tflops and 5600M which is 5.3 Tflops. M1 has 2.5 Tflops.

I think the base AS 16" should have at least 5 Tflops in order to impress people. And to satisfy GPU hungry folks, maybe they will have one that goes up to 8 TFlops. I think the last thing Apple wants is for anyone to think "see, I told you AS Macs can't compete in highend GPUs".

However, I think it's entirely possible that Apple will forgo competing with the 5600M in its first iteration, and try to bring out the big one with M2X. The 5600M is quite beastly and has 8GB of HBM. It's hard to beat that with an APU.

Anyway, what do you think?

 

[ArPe]

TfLops is only one measure. The M1’s fill rate is also notable as well as the high bandwidth link to the CPU and memory that discrete GPUs don’t have. Instead of looking at specs look at the actual performance.

 

[NotTooLate]

I think it will be interesting , also Tflops is not a good metric for cross GPU comparisons , Vega took the crown for Tflops over Nvidia , but once real world benchmarks came , it was losing gaming and productivity , but I would say that for the same Uarch , 2x flops is usually 2x performance in a lot of the use cases. (GPU is pretty linear when not bottlenecked).
The MBP will be a very interesting machines!! can't wait!

 

[senttoschool]

TfLops is only one measure. The M1’s fill rate is also notable as well as the high bandwidth link to the CPU and memory that discrete GPUs don’t have. Instead of looking at specs look at the actual performance.

I think it will be interesting , also Tflops is not a good metric for cross GPU comparisons , Vega took the crown for Tflops over Nvidia , but once real world benchmarks came , it was losing gaming and productivity , but I would say that for the same Uarch , 2x flops is usually 2x performance in a lot of the use cases. (GPU is pretty linear when not bottlenecked).
The MBP will be a very interesting machines!! can't wait!

Guys, you can extrapolate M1's Tflops numbers and project what you think M1X will have. Relax.

We know Tflops aren't always equal across different architectures.

If you want to do the actual work of telling us how to compare Tflops between M1 and the 5300M, please do so. Both GPUs are out there.

 

[Piggie]

It's going to be interesting.
I'll just say this, and I'll take a very wild guess, many people won't disagree with me here.

Whilst Apple is not, or has not been up till now a company interested in gaming, due to Steve Job's own personal viewpoint/feeling on the matter.

I would imagine, the very last thing Apple's wants to hear in the media, are reviews, benchmarks and stories getting into the public's mindset saying something like:

"Apple's new computers running their own custom designed hardware are WORSE for gaming than they have ever been, and if you want to enjoy games/entertainment you are better off going with the older machines running Intel"

I can't believe, even if they are not strongly focused on gaming they ever want to see such headlines.
It only needs a slight drop in graphical ability for such news stories to be published and

"Apple chips are even worse for games than intels"

Type headlines to be spread around and damage the chances of more PC owners, who like the occasional game wanting to make the switch.

Apple should ALWAYS make sure they are above the previous ability of the machines they replace.

Intel and more importantly AMD are not going to stand still.
Also, Nvidia owning ARM are naturally going to be developing new products themselves.

 

[NotTooLate]

Guys, you can extrapolate M1's Tflops numbers and project what you think M1X will have. Relax.

We know Tflops aren't always equal across different architectures.

If you want to do the actual work of telling us how to compare Tflops between M1 and the 5300M, please do so. Both GPUs are out there.

Didn't want to come off as dismissive , sorry about that , I actually like your posts in this forum , so apologies in advance , I think it is currently hard to evaluate M1 vs 5300M as so much is running of Rosseta this days , but from what I've seen in reviews , whatever runs native (which is basically WoW for now ) , runs really well on the M1 , so the usually "run 15 games and provide FPS on the same settings" is impossible for us , we do see that the computational part of the GPU looks promising as it accelerates nicely in the SW that utilize it.