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portishead12

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So I made a topic here last week about my dilemma... I picked up a 16" M1 Max 32gb RAM 1tb ssd brand new for $2499 which seemed like a great deal, but I've been having some buyer's remorse because initially I had my sights set on the 14" M2 Pro 16gb ram 512gb ssd.

I know the ram and storage on the M1 Max is going to be superior, but in terms of the actual chip and longevity/performance, is the m2 pro going to be better than the m1 max? This was a question that did not occur to me last week when I made my last post. Am I really missing out on anything by opting for a previous year's model? My main worry is that since this came out in 2021, I won't have as many updates for the life of the device, and may end up regretting purchasing an older model.

My other dilemma I'm still going back and forth on (which is what my previous topic was about) is the screen size and bulk of the laptop. Although I do mostly use it at home, initially I wanted something I could easily grab-and-go for around the house, on the sofa, in bed, etc., and I have a 32-inch external monitor that I can dock to when I want the larger screen real estate. So although the 16" screen is absolutely beautiful and I love the speakers and keyboard space, I kinda wonder if the bulk and form factor of the device is going to make me never want to move it from my home office desk -- which sort of defeats the whole purpose of why I got it in the first place.

But then I get hung up on the specs (double the ram and storage space), as for only $600 more, it seems like a mistake not to keep the device with more memory. But if I never even end up needing it, then does it really matter?

I've got about 2 weeks left in my return window, so I'm just trying to make a decision this week on which one to keep. It's been exhausting trying to decide, lol.
 

Swissfashion

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So I made a topic here last week about my dilemma... I picked up a 16" M1 Max 32gb RAM 1tb ssd brand new for $2499 which seemed like a great deal, but I've been having some buyer's remorse because initially I had my sights set on the 14" M2 Pro 16gb ram 512gb ssd.

I know the ram and storage on the M1 Max is going to be superior, but in terms of the actual chip and longevity/performance, is the m2 pro going to be better than the m1 max? This was a question that did not occur to me last week when I made my last post. Am I really missing out on anything by opting for a previous year's model? My main worry is that since this came out in 2021, I won't have as many updates for the life of the device, and may end up regretting purchasing an older model.

My other dilemma I'm still going back and forth on (which is what my previous topic was about) is the screen size and bulk of the laptop. Although I do mostly use it at home, initially I wanted something I could easily grab-and-go for around the house, on the sofa, in bed, etc., and I have a 32-inch external monitor that I can dock to when I want the larger screen real estate. So although the 16" screen is absolutely beautiful and I love the speakers and keyboard space, I kinda wonder if the bulk and form factor of the device is going to make me never want to move it from my home office desk -- which sort of defeats the whole purpose of why I got it in the first place.

But then I get hung up on the specs (double the ram and storage space), as for only $600 more, it seems like a mistake not to keep the device with more memory. But if I never even end up needing it, then does it really matter?

I've got about 2 weeks left in my return window, so I'm just trying to make a decision this week on which one to keep. It's been exhausting trying to decide, lol.
If you want and use a 16" MacBook, then keep it. If you know you'll need an easier carry but can live with a smaller screen, get the 14".
 
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richardpage

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I had an M1 Max bought same day as it was announced by Apple but experienced random reboots so returned it. Apple guy said wait some time and these issues should be resolved. So in the interim I upgraded my old MBP with a bigger SSD. So this March I bought the 16" M2 Max Pro with 96Gb RAM and 4Tb SSD. It flies. I am thrilled with it despite the cost (however, as I bought it for use for my business I get the 20% VAT back and another 24.7% capital allowance saving). The sound on it is unbelievably brilliant. The key board is lovely.

The screen is awesome. No way could I revert to the smaller screen of my previous MBP 13.3". The 16" is perfect for working, watching Netflix etc. The battery life is amazing allowing me to use if for a full day!! Recharging the battery is extremely fast. It is not a lightweight laptop as to get that long battery life means a big battery inside.

I took hours to find a good case for the new MacBook. It comes from the; Voogoo store on Aliexpress (the URL is in the screenshot). I removed the zip pull that goes across the back of the case (and superglued the zip itself) so that when the case is put down it avoids the risk of denting the MacBook lid or back. The open/close zip is designed so it has material lining between it and the inside that way the MacBook is protected from damage from the zip pull when opening/closing the case. Nice carry handle also and overall very sturdy.

Still looking for a hardback case (like the Peli 1095) that is not an exorbitant price that Peli charge.
 

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Deanster

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As always, a lot depends on your uses and workflow, which you don't say much about, so you'll just need to evaluate that based on the rest of the discussion.

Sitting on my desk right now are an M1 Pro 16" 16/1T hooked up to 27" 5K and 32" 4K external monitors, and an M2 MacBook air 8/256.

To your points in order:

1) the year difference between the M1/M2 MBP's isn't going to be a big deal, they're running on the same underlying hardware. Apple *could* end updates for the M1 version a year or two earlier, but it's somewhat more common to keep similar hardware platforms up to date together, and then end support for them together. Regardless, the M1 macs are a HUGE installed base, and Apple has a lot of incentive to keep them updated for a long time - it's going to be a really big deal the day they declare M1's no longer supported by MacOS.

2) Generally speaking, I'd expect a 32GB M1 Max to keep performing at a high level longer than a 16GB M2 Pro. The extra RAM and GPU should allow a considerably longer performance runway over the M2's relatively modest optimizations. The M2 is a solid upgrade over M1, and all things equal, you'd pick an M2 family over M1. However, M1 Max with twice the RAM should trounce the M2 pro at almost everything. There may be a couple things where the M2's task-specific hardware is enough to make a difference, but it's hard to speak to that without knowing more about your specific tasks.

3) 14 vs. 16. There's no doubt the 16" MBP is a chonky boi, but the actual differences between the 14 and 16 are modest. I've for many years said that small laptops are amazing when you're carrying them in your bag closed, but big laptops are almost always better when you've opened them for use. The larger screen is usually a much bigger productivity improver than the hardware inside. So, the question is how much you're carrying it around in your bag, vs using it open on a table. An in-between case is on your lap, where the smaller laptop is usually better even when open. I love my 13" M2 MacBook Air, it's fantastic for my walk to campus, then checking email and running powerpoint to a projector for lectures. I'm carrying it around on my back for a few miles a day, and then opening it for simple uses. But I'll still bring the 16" MBP if I'm really planning on doing substantial work like creating a new powerpoint, or editing video, or showing someone a presentation on the laptop where the screen quality and speakers make a big difference. Only you know what the balance of screen size vs carry weight/bulk is for your needs, but I'd generally submit that people over-emphasize the convenience of a small laptop versus the gains of a larger screen when actually using it.

4) 'does any of this matter if I don't end up making use of the extra RAM/CPU' - This is the big question. Did you buy an MBP because you really NEED the extra power? or just because it's cool? I've absolutely bought machines I don't need because the extra horsepower seemed cool, or I was afraid of needing more power late in the computer's life - I'm not giving you a hard time here. I will say that the M1/M2 series in general has enough power that even the base versions can do everything most people need without breaking a sweat. My 8GB M2 MBA edits even 4K video clean and fast, and renders it fast enough I don't worry about it much. There are absolutely people who need the extra GPU power of a Max setup, or the Ultra in the Mac Studio - if you're editing 4K+ video all day, running 3D renders, CAD modeling, etc, there's just bottomless need for CPU/GPU cycles. I'm an avid photographer and fly camera drones for fun. A couple years ago, I really needed a desktop or MBP-level machine to have a chance at handling HD or 4K edit/render efficiently. I've run Final Cut X on a 12" MacBook to edit HD footage, and it was miserable. Today, the M2 MBA handles that beautifully, the M1 Pro MBP is a little quicker, but not enough to bother transferring footage there unless I want the bigger screens.

Long story short, I'd suggest taking a real solid look at how much horsepower you really need, and maybe thinking about whether you should return the MBP and wait a few weeks to grab a 15" MacBook Air when (hopefully) that's announced/available. I'm hoping that'll be a powerful answer to the 'big screen/enough power' question you've posed. I'd love to trade in my MBA and MBP for a 15" MBA... but we'll see how the final product looks.
 

richardpage

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Jan 3, 2014
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Excellent points Deanster. May I mention in passing that unlike earlier MacBooks (like my 2011) which you could upgrade yourself by swapping out the mechanical drive for an SSD or the CD ROM for another SSD or upgrading from 8Gb to 16Gb RAM or replacing the worn out battery these new MacBooks are set in stone. The storage is coded to the MacBook, the RAM is soldered in. So if you buy a lower spec MacBook and your requirements change like you need more storage then you are stymied. You'll have to revert to external expansion. Hence going for the highest spec you can afford mitigates that future risk. I never thought I'd need masses of RAM until my work brought me image and video editing projects. Plus some massive spreadsheets!

But Apple will eventually pull the plug on the M1 and M2 and you will be unable to upgrade to the latest OS. That's how they will kill the old MBPs so that they can sell their latest offerings. My 2011 has been faithful right up to today. Now it is has reached Apple's imposed OS upgrade limit. It can be upgraded to the next OS (Monterey) but that requires using Open Core Legacy Patcher. Time consuming and a pain to do.
 
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portishead12

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May 2, 2012
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As always, a lot depends on your uses and workflow, which you don't say much about, so you'll just need to evaluate that based on the rest of the discussion.

Sitting on my desk right now are an M1 Pro 16" 16/1T hooked up to 27" 5K and 32" 4K external monitors, and an M2 MacBook air 8/256.

To your points in order:

1) the year difference between the M1/M2 MBP's isn't going to be a big deal, they're running on the same underlying hardware. Apple *could* end updates for the M1 version a year or two earlier, but it's somewhat more common to keep similar hardware platforms up to date together, and then end support for them together. Regardless, the M1 macs are a HUGE installed base, and Apple has a lot of incentive to keep them updated for a long time - it's going to be a really big deal the day they declare M1's no longer supported by MacOS.

2) Generally speaking, I'd expect a 32GB M1 Max to keep performing at a high level longer than a 16GB M2 Pro. The extra RAM and GPU should allow a considerably longer performance runway over the M2's relatively modest optimizations. The M2 is a solid upgrade over M1, and all things equal, you'd pick an M2 family over M1. However, M1 Max with twice the RAM should trounce the M2 pro at almost everything. There may be a couple things where the M2's task-specific hardware is enough to make a difference, but it's hard to speak to that without knowing more about your specific tasks.

3) 14 vs. 16. There's no doubt the 16" MBP is a chonky boi, but the actual differences between the 14 and 16 are modest. I've for many years said that small laptops are amazing when you're carrying them in your bag closed, but big laptops are almost always better when you've opened them for use. The larger screen is usually a much bigger productivity improver than the hardware inside. So, the question is how much you're carrying it around in your bag, vs using it open on a table. An in-between case is on your lap, where the smaller laptop is usually better even when open. I love my 13" M2 MacBook Air, it's fantastic for my walk to campus, then checking email and running powerpoint to a projector for lectures. I'm carrying it around on my back for a few miles a day, and then opening it for simple uses. But I'll still bring the 16" MBP if I'm really planning on doing substantial work like creating a new powerpoint, or editing video, or showing someone a presentation on the laptop where the screen quality and speakers make a big difference. Only you know what the balance of screen size vs carry weight/bulk is for your needs, but I'd generally submit that people over-emphasize the convenience of a small laptop versus the gains of a larger screen when actually using it.

4) 'does any of this matter if I don't end up making use of the extra RAM/CPU' - This is the big question. Did you buy an MBP because you really NEED the extra power? or just because it's cool? I've absolutely bought machines I don't need because the extra horsepower seemed cool, or I was afraid of needing more power late in the computer's life - I'm not giving you a hard time here. I will say that the M1/M2 series in general has enough power that even the base versions can do everything most people need without breaking a sweat. My 8GB M2 MBA edits even 4K video clean and fast, and renders it fast enough I don't worry about it much. There are absolutely people who need the extra GPU power of a Max setup, or the Ultra in the Mac Studio - if you're editing 4K+ video all day, running 3D renders, CAD modeling, etc, there's just bottomless need for CPU/GPU cycles. I'm an avid photographer and fly camera drones for fun. A couple years ago, I really needed a desktop or MBP-level machine to have a chance at handling HD or 4K edit/render efficiently. I've run Final Cut X on a 12" MacBook to edit HD footage, and it was miserable. Today, the M2 MBA handles that beautifully, the M1 Pro MBP is a little quicker, but not enough to bother transferring footage there unless I want the bigger screens.

Long story short, I'd suggest taking a real solid look at how much horsepower you really need, and maybe thinking about whether you should return the MBP and wait a few weeks to grab a 15" MacBook Air when (hopefully) that's announced/available. I'm hoping that'll be a powerful answer to the 'big screen/enough power' question you've posed. I'd love to trade in my MBA and MBP for a 15" MBA... but we'll see how the final product looks.

Thanks a lot for all of this. Extremely helpful.

My current workflow is honestly pretty minimal. I wouldn't say I bought it because it was cool... basically i had my sights set on a MBPro for years and my hope/aspiration is to get back into some video and photo editing. I didn't plan to get the most souped-up option available, as I knew it was beyond my needs, but I was afraid an Air might not be heavy-duty enough if I get into 4k video, and I selfishly wanted the better xdr promotion display and was willing to pay more just for that.

I had committed to $1900 for the base model m2 pro 14", and then immediately after that, I saw this 16" m1 max go on a flash sale for $2499 and people in the comments on Slickdeals were raving about what a killer deal it was... so I figured maybe for just a little more money, it would be a more worthwhile long-term investment. I would never have paid the full $3500 price tag for it, but now that I do have it, I have to admit it's hard to go back to the 14" lol.

So to answer your question, it's definitely above my current needs, but at the same time I feel like I got such a great deal on it, that paying $1800 for the m2 base model with 16gb ram (as it's now dropped in price from $1900) and a smaller screen almost seems stupid, as I got a killer top of the line device with double the ram and storage, plus a larger screen, for only a few hundred dollars more.

that said, my initial goal for getting this was to have something more mobile and easy-to-use around the home. i also want to get back into writing (i know i don't need a macbook pro for that, but in addition to the video editing, that's something i plan to reconnect with as a past hobby), and i thought the 14" was a perfect size for on the sofa, in bed, in a coffee shop, etc., and my concern with the 16" is that it's so cumbersome that i'll never want to use it on-the-go the same way i might the 14".

but at the same time, i rarely leave my house with it, so if i can adjust to using it on my lap then i guess that's a non-issue. i do have a 32" external monitor i can dock it - i'm not sure if that is a vote for, or against, the 16" macbook... my friend was telling me he would just keep the 14" because any time i want a larger screen i have the monitor to connect to, but the 16" screen is definitely quite gorgeous when i'm away from my monitor, and it is so enjoyable to work directly off of, whereas with the 14" it does feel more cramped and i do feel like i'm making more of a compromise when it isn't connected to the monitor, if that makes sense? i wouldn't say i look forward to working off the screen of the 14", whereas every time i open the 16" i'm wowed by how gorgeous it is.

but the flipside of that is that i genuinely prefer the form factor of the 14" in terms of how it feels on my lap, how easy it is to carry around, and just being able to sort of nonchalantly/casually move it from my sofa to the coffee table or pick it up and toss it (not literally) on the sofa next to me, whereas every movement i make with the 16" feels far more fragile and decisive. i really need to use both hands to pick it up and place it down, and it takes up far more space on coffee table, kitchen counters, etc. "Cumbersome" is the best word I can use to describe it. Even just moving back the lid, i feel like i have to be more careful that it won't hit against anything or that there's enough space to push it back, whereas the 14" fits in smaller spaces and i don't feel as worried about damaging it as i do when i'm handling the 16".

i even got a cool little docking stand for the 14" which fit perfectly on my bedside table so that i could carefully stand it upright after use and avoid it falling off my nightstand or the cat jumping up on it, but the 16" is too large and looks goofy when i do this. so those are little quibbles but in day-to-day use i'm concerned they will compound and cause me to have more friction with picking up the macbook -- i'm worried it'll just become permanently affixed to my desk, which sorta defeats the whole point of why i got it in the first place.

but that screen... so gorgeous... :p

hopefully that might add a little more context or background to where i'm at and what my needs are, if it helps at all, but your previous post was definitely very useful and i appreciate you taking the time to write that all out and address all my concerns/questions.
 
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chrfr

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Jul 11, 2009
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Excellent points Deanster. May I mention in passing that unlike earlier MacBooks (like my 2011) which you could upgrade yourself by swapping out the mechanical drive for an SSD or the CD ROM for another SSD or upgrading from 8Gb to 16Gb RAM or replacing the worn out battery
Batteries are more easily replaceable in these current computers than in the previous generations.
 

steve123

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Aug 26, 2007
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No question, M1 Max > M2 Pro.

M1 Max w. 32GB & 1TB >>> M2 Pro w. 16 GB & 512GB.

But, if you are worried about remorse then upgrade to M2 Max.

Or, wait until fall and sell M1 Max and buy M3 Max.

Get the max RAM ... it cannot be upgraded.

BTW, your M1 Max will last at least 10 years. I have several macs from 2012 & 2013 I am still using and just upgraded a 2009 iMac for my folks. You made a good choice.

Lots of choices.
 
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portishead12

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May 2, 2012
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No question, M1 Max > M2 Pro.

M1 Max w. 32GB & 1TB >>> M2 Pro w. 16 GB & 512GB.

But, if you are worried about remorse then upgrade to M2 Max.

Or, wait until fall and sell M1 Max and buy M3 Max.

Get the max RAM ... it cannot be upgraded.

BTW, your M1 Max will last at least 10 years. I have several macs from 2012 & 2013 I am still using and just upgraded a 2009 iMac for my folks. You made a good choice.

Lots of choices.
Thanks!

My hope is to keep it at least 5 years. My asus windows laptop I’m migrating from is from 2013… I have never been one to buy and sell laptops frequently.

That said… how much resale value do you think this will hold as each new chip comes out? For example when the m3 pro/max comes out is mine just going to immediately plummet in value or will it likely regain a good amount as time goes on?

My only real concern at this point is the size and bulk of the thing. It’s just so cumbersome trying to use it anywhere other than a desk or sitting at a perfect 90degree angle. But I am hoping I’ll adjust with time.
 

steve123

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how much resale value do you think this will hold as each new chip comes out?
I really do not have a quantitative answer. Nevertheless, I think models with more RAM and storage will hold more of their value longer. So, your choice to get extra RAM and storage, IMO, was a good decision.
 

portishead12

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I really do not have a quantitative answer. Nevertheless, I think models with more RAM and storage will hold more of their value longer. So, your choice to get extra RAM and storage, IMO, was a good decision.
Thanks!
 

BlueGhost

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Dec 30, 2015
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Suspect you'd be fairly happy with any of the mentioned units. In my experience, additional memory gives the most bang for the buck in terms of upgrades. Next would be the cpu/gpu. Internal SSD size is more a convenience for many people (beyond a good working size, based on your intended use).

Just recently upgraded from a late 2013 mbp 13" i5 2.4GHz 2 core, 8GB RAM, 256GB ssd to a 2023 mbp 14" M2 Pro 10/16/16 core, 32GB RAM, 512GB ssd (configured to order on Apple.com). A world of difference. I don't think the fan even comes on most of the time on the new unit, but was going full tilt on the 2013 with 4k video playing. Usually running at under 10% cpu utilization, and also using about 12% of ssd. Still using an external Lenovo 2560 x 1600 display (attached by HDMI, instead of former TB-2). No swap space used, no compressed memory and usually a lot of free memory and cached data/programs. So relatively little activity on the ssd, and no cpu overhead from swapping.

Found it interesting that Microsoft claims they've used soldered memory for security reasons related to liquid nitrogen. I think the real reason is that plug-in memory and cpus would make the cases thicker to accommodate the sockets. Haven't had a laptop or desktop apart recently, but sockets are/were at least 4-6 times thicker than printed circuit boards, and maybe 1-2 times as thick as an integrated circuit chip. Heat sinks and heat tubes also are present.
https://www.pcmag.com/news/microsoft-blames-liquid-nitrogen-for-surface-devices-using-soldered-ram

Suspect I'd have been almost as happy with an M2 MBA and 24GB RAM, but wanted the extra ports and support for multiple external displays. Also, the USB-4/TB-4, Bluetooth 5.3, HDMI 2.1. I believe the M1 Max and Pro top out at 6K displays, the M2 Max and Pro will support an 8K display (HDMI only), plus additional display(s) at 6K or 4K. The M1 Max and M1 Pro have Bluetooth 5.0 and the M2 family has Bluetooth 5.3. Most/many folks don't use 6k or 8k displays, most probably don't need Bluetooth 5.3.

One thing I've only seen on Apple.com is the ability to pay for AppleCare+ by the year, rather than for three years up front. It sounds like you may be able to have coverage for more than three years (or could have it for one year only, if that was your preference). AppleCare+ is less for a 14" than a 16" mbp (even if both are M2 Max with 96GB memory and 8TB ssd).
 
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matthewlcx

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Oct 12, 2022
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I had an M1 Max bought same day as it was announced by Apple but experienced random reboots so returned it. Apple guy said wait some time and these issues should be resolved. So in the interim I upgraded my old MBP with a bigger SSD. So this March I bought the 16" M2 Max Pro with 96Gb RAM and 4Tb SSD. It flies. I am thrilled with it despite the cost (however, as I bought it for use for my business I get the 20% VAT back and another 24.7% capital allowance saving). The sound on it is unbelievably brilliant. The key board is lovely.

The screen is awesome. No way could I revert to the smaller screen of my previous MBP 13.3". The 16" is perfect for working, watching Netflix etc. The battery life is amazing allowing me to use if for a full day!! Recharging the battery is extremely fast. It is not a lightweight laptop as to get that long battery life means a big battery inside.

I took hours to find a good case for the new MacBook. It comes from the; Voogoo store on Aliexpress (the URL is in the screenshot). I removed the zip pull that goes across the back of the case (and superglued the zip itself) so that when the case is put down it avoids the risk of denting the MacBook lid or back. The open/close zip is designed so it has material lining between it and the inside that way the MacBook is protected from damage from the zip pull when opening/closing the case. Nice carry handle also and overall very sturdy.

Still looking for a hardback case (like the Peli 1095) that is not an exorbitant price that Peli charge.
Hi, how did you get the 20% VAT back? is it on the Apple UK website?
 

StoneJack

macrumors 68030
Dec 19, 2009
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So I made a topic here last week about my dilemma... I picked up a 16" M1 Max 32gb RAM 1tb ssd brand new for $2499 which seemed like a great deal, but I've been having some buyer's remorse because initially I had my sights set on the 14" M2 Pro 16gb ram 512gb ssd.

I know the ram and storage on the M1 Max is going to be superior, but in terms of the actual chip and longevity/performance, is the m2 pro going to be better than the m1 max? This was a question that did not occur to me last week when I made my last post. Am I really missing out on anything by opting for a previous year's model? My main worry is that since this came out in 2021, I won't have as many updates for the life of the device, and may end up regretting purchasing an older model.

My other dilemma I'm still going back and forth on (which is what my previous topic was about) is the screen size and bulk of the laptop. Although I do mostly use it at home, initially I wanted something I could easily grab-and-go for around the house, on the sofa, in bed, etc., and I have a 32-inch external monitor that I can dock to when I want the larger screen real estate. So although the 16" screen is absolutely beautiful and I love the speakers and keyboard space, I kinda wonder if the bulk and form factor of the device is going to make me never want to move it from my home office desk -- which sort of defeats the whole purpose of why I got it in the first place.

But then I get hung up on the specs (double the ram and storage space), as for only $600 more, it seems like a mistake not to keep the device with more memory. But if I never even end up needing it, then does it really matter?

I've got about 2 weeks left in my return window, so I'm just trying to make a decision this week on which one to keep. It's been exhausting trying to decide, lol.
they are about same. Not much difference in everyday operations
 
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