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RyanFlynn

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Nov 24, 2006
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Los Angeles
Hey Friends,

I'm posting my reply to another thread about the Sonnet 4x4 PCIe being card back ordered for months around the world because I think it could be useful to many fellow nerds trying to get the most out of their recent Mac Pro purchases. This is my current solution, I'll update as it improves, but this looks like the best cost/performance route. I will absolutely swap the $14 adaptors for the more elegant space saving option when it arrives.


My authorized retail supplier in Los Angeles, who got me the Mac Pro and Cinema Display within 24 hours of ordering this week, says that the shipment of the 4x4 has gone from 3 days to sometime in march. I asked them to keep the order and went with 4 of these little PCI adapters to get me by for the time being. (chosen because the black matches that back of the computer #dontjudgemeyoureprobablythiscrazytoo)


Some M.2 heat syncs:

The M.2 drives I went with:

The obvious problem with this set up is that it takes up 4 PCIe slots, but it was the best cheap/temporary solution I could find without using bifurcation or spending the same money on 2 2x slot adapters as the 1 slot sonnet option. Most of the 2x NVME us one 4x port and one sata 3 cable as a cheap/slow option. Don't go there.

The results speak for themselves. While not ideal, this setup cost less than $1000.

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I did order a VROC raid controller that supports 128gb/s, and it looks like the Xeon W-3200 series supports CPU raid, but I don't know about Mac OS. If it tests well, I'll make all kind of noise about it in another post and link from here. If it doesn't work, we can all stay the course.

Any ideas for improvement?
God Speed.
 

Snow Tiger

macrumors 6502a
Dec 18, 2019
854
634
Hey Friends,

I'm posting my reply to another thread about the Sonnet 4x4 PCIe being card back ordered for months around the world because I think it could be useful to many fellow nerds trying to get the most out of their recent Mac Pro purchases. This is my current solution, I'll update as it improves, but this looks like the best cost/performance route. I will absolutely swap the $14 adaptors for the more elegant space saving option when it arrives.


My authorized retail supplier in Los Angeles, who got me the Mac Pro and Cinema Display within 24 hours of ordering this week, says that the shipment of the 4x4 has gone from 3 days to sometime in march. I asked them to keep the order and went with 4 of these little PCI adapters to get me by for the time being. (chosen because the black matches that back of the computer #dontjudgemeyoureprobablythiscrazytoo)


Some M.2 heat syncs:

The M.2 drives I went with:

The obvious problem with this set up is that it takes up 4 PCIe slots, but it was the best cheap/temporary solution I could find without using bifurcation or spending the same money on 2 2x slot adapters as the 1 slot sonnet option. Most of the 2x NVME us one 4x port and one sata 3 cable as a cheap/slow option. Don't go there.

The results speak for themselves. While not ideal, this setup cost less than $1000.






I did order a VROC raid controller that supports 128gb/s, and it looks like the Xeon W-3200 series supports CPU raid, but I don't know about Mac OS. If it tests well, I'll make all kind of noise about it in another post and link from here. If it doesn't work, we can all stay the course.

Any ideas for improvement?
God Speed.

I would reply with a 4 socket PCIe flash RAID Card suggestion , but there are a lot of reports here at MR on that already .

The things I worry about your VROC controller is 1 ) there is no Mac support for it and 2 ) being licensed technology , you need to send Intel some dough first and 3 ) where are you going to install the VROC license dongle in a Mac System ? ( hint - there is no onboard proprietary dongle header on the MP7,1 for this technology ) . Dongles look like this :

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chfilm

macrumors 68040
Nov 15, 2012
3,428
2,113
Berlin
Hey Friends,

I'm posting my reply to another thread about the Sonnet 4x4 PCIe being card back ordered for months around the world because I think it could be useful to many fellow nerds trying to get the most out of their recent Mac Pro purchases. This is my current solution, I'll update as it improves, but this looks like the best cost/performance route. I will absolutely swap the $14 adaptors for the more elegant space saving option when it arrives.


My authorized retail supplier in Los Angeles, who got me the Mac Pro and Cinema Display within 24 hours of ordering this week, says that the shipment of the 4x4 has gone from 3 days to sometime in march. I asked them to keep the order and went with 4 of these little PCI adapters to get me by for the time being. (chosen because the black matches that back of the computer #dontjudgemeyoureprobablythiscrazytoo)


Some M.2 heat syncs:

The M.2 drives I went with:

The obvious problem with this set up is that it takes up 4 PCIe slots, but it was the best cheap/temporary solution I could find without using bifurcation or spending the same money on 2 2x slot adapters as the 1 slot sonnet option. Most of the 2x NVME us one 4x port and one sata 3 cable as a cheap/slow option. Don't go there.

The results speak for themselves. While not ideal, this setup cost less than $1000.

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View attachment 888685


View attachment 888686


I did order a VROC raid controller that supports 128gb/s, and it looks like the Xeon W-3200 series supports CPU raid, but I don't know about Mac OS. If it tests well, I'll make all kind of noise about it in another post and link from here. If it doesn't work, we can all stay the course.

Any ideas for improvement?
God Speed.
I dont understand the part about the VROC raid controller. What do you plan to achieve with it? Is that a separate card? Should it help to deliver a more stable/faster raid?

Btw the Sonnett seems widely available in Germany, have you considered ordering it from our Amazon?
 

Snow Tiger

macrumors 6502a
Dec 18, 2019
854
634
I dont understand the part about the VROC raid controller. What do you plan to achieve with it? Is that a separate card? Should it help to deliver a more stable/faster raid?

Btw the Sonnett seems widely available in Germany, have you considered ordering it from our Amazon?

Don't worry about the Intel VROC - it will not work in a Mac System .
 

tommy chen

macrumors 6502a
Oct 1, 2018
907
390
they mean apple hardware raid card

many years i use softraid and can't see any speed difference use diskutility
but some problems with softraid and never with diskutility raid

allways use RAID0 for speed only
 
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bxs

macrumors 65816
Oct 20, 2007
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Seattle, WA
Between you and me, I think that 86% is very misleading and maybe a false statement to make today with Apple's latest Disk Utility's RAID setup.
 

bxs

macrumors 65816
Oct 20, 2007
1,151
529
Seattle, WA
I’d love to see some speed tests before I drop the money and wipe my drives. Anyone wanna share?
You can perform the tests yourself as there's a 30-day trial period offered for SoftRAID.

My recent RAID-0 test of SoftRAID vs. Apple's Disk Utility's RAID-0 using 4x 2.5" 5TB Seagate BarraCuda 5400 RPM drives in an OWC Thunderbolt 2 Mini enclosure showed practically no difference at all. Now can this test be validated for using SSDs rather than HDDs.....?

I chatted with OWC (owners of SoftRAID) today about the 86% claim and was told that it really is 'old' data based on testing a long time ago when Apple's Disk Utility's RAID-0 was not performing very well. Today, Apple's RAID-0 setup is obviously doing better.
 
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iTTT

macrumors newbie
Aug 15, 2010
14
8
Hey Friends,

I'm posting my reply to another thread about the Sonnet 4x4 PCIe being card back ordered for months around the world because I think it could be useful to many fellow nerds trying to get the most out of their recent Mac Pro purchases. This is my current solution, I'll update as it improves, but this looks like the best cost/performance route. I will absolutely swap the $14 adaptors for the more elegant space saving option when it arrives.


My authorized retail supplier in Los Angeles, who got me the Mac Pro and Cinema Display within 24 hours of ordering this week, says that the shipment of the 4x4 has gone from 3 days to sometime in march. I asked them to keep the order and went with 4 of these little PCI adapters to get me by for the time being. (chosen because the black matches that back of the computer #dontjudgemeyoureprobablythiscrazytoo)


Some M.2 heat syncs:

The M.2 drives I went with:

The obvious problem with this set up is that it takes up 4 PCIe slots, but it was the best cheap/temporary solution I could find without using bifurcation or spending the same money on 2 2x slot adapters as the 1 slot sonnet option. Most of the 2x NVME us one 4x port and one sata 3 cable as a cheap/slow option. Don't go there.

The results speak for themselves. While not ideal, this setup cost less than $1000.

View attachment 888684


View attachment 888685


View attachment 888686


I did order a VROC raid controller that supports 128gb/s, and it looks like the Xeon W-3200 series supports CPU raid, but I don't know about Mac OS. If it tests well, I'll make all kind of noise about it in another post and link from here. If it doesn't work, we can all stay the course.

Any ideas for improvement?
God Speed.


i have ASUS HYPER M.2 X16 and would like to know if i add intel VROC and set RAID 0 in BIOS, whether OSX can recognize this RAID 0 or not ?
 

ghostmac1969

macrumors newbie
Jul 18, 2019
9
0
You can't boot the latest MacOS off of a RAID array, period.

there are at least two possible solutions:

the Highpoint card model SSD7110 NVMe RAID Controller https://highpoint-tech.com/USA_new/series-ssd7110-overview.htm - expensive solution (3 Nvme + 16 SAS/SATA)
OWC Accelsior 4M2
https://eshop.macsales.com/shop/ssd/owc-accelsior-4m2 also sold as card w/o SSD

in both cases, the manufacturers/sellers said that it can boot from these

I was looking for further and possibly less expensive solutions ...
 

tsialex

Contributor
Jun 13, 2016
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there are at least two possible solutions:

the Highpoint card model SSD7110 NVMe RAID Controller https://highpoint-tech.com/USA_new/series-ssd7110-overview.htm - expensive solution (3 Nvme + 16 SAS/SATA)
OWC Accelsior 4M2
https://eshop.macsales.com/shop/ssd/owc-accelsior-4m2 also sold as card w/o SSD

in both cases, the manufacturers/sellers said that it can boot from these

I was looking for further and possibly less expensive solutions ...
Wrong, since Mojave macOS can't boot from an array - last release that still support bootable RAID arrays, with HFS+, is High Sierra.

APFS still don't have bootable RAID support.

Manufacturers can say anything, macOS don't support it.
 
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