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Arktika

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Oct 17, 2019
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Hi guys,
I have a mbp late 2013 , and recently i want to downgrade it from bigsur to Mojave,while it seems that Time Machine backups cannot be recovered in Mojave(It even cannot recognize my backup hardware). It bothers me a lot, and i need your help so bad.
It there any way to downgrade from bigsur to majave perfectly ? Maybe I should backup data by any other applications (like CCC
?) instead of Time Machine?

Looking For Your Advice , THANKS A LOT!!!
 

MBAir2010

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May 30, 2018
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how many back ups do you have?
(me 7)
what i did a while ago was search for any file that is only in a mojave back up,
then use that- if this makes sense.

in the future
then in file tap on the folder icon, paste an image of the osx logo on the folder.

others can recommend carbon copy, but if you dont have that now.....
 

Arktika

macrumors newbie
Original poster
Oct 17, 2019
11
2
how many back ups do you have?
(me 7)
what i did a while ago was search for any file that is only in a mojave back up,
then use that- if this makes sense.

in the future
then in file tap on the folder icon, paste an image of the osx logo on the folder.

others can recommend carbon copy, but if you dont have that now.....
Thanks a lot. I only have 5 backups in bigsur, while it seems that cannot be recognized in mojave (coz bigsur have a new storage system?) . So I cannot find my external backup hardware in mojave.... ?
 

MBAir2010

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May 30, 2018
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Thanks a lot. I only have 5 backups in bigsur, while it seems that cannot be recognized in mojave (coz bigsur have a new storage system?) . So I cannot find my external backup hardware in mojave.... ?
ah, that is disappointing.
you could reinstall Mojave from scratch, then drag files from a hard drive
i have performed that way too many times, but had a better cleaner OSX
 

Arktika

macrumors newbie
Original poster
Oct 17, 2019
11
2
ah, that is disappointing.
you could reinstall Mojave from scratch, then drag files from a hard drive
i have performed that way too many times, but had a better cleaner OSX
Yep, I am going to restore my mac back to big sur...and then copy files to mojave...so i wonder is there any awesome app could do it easily and perfectly?
 

Fishrrman

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My advice (made without promises):
PRINT OUT OR SAVE THIS POST.

Download CarbonCopyCloner from:
CCC is FREE to download and use for the first 30 days, this won't cost you anything.

Use CCC to create a cloned backup of your Big Sur install onto an external USB3 drive.
Put this aside for the moment. YOU'RE GOING TO NEED IT LATER.

Possibly important: I read that the most recent release of CCC reportedly contains some feature that can "condition" a cloned backup to be "recognizable" by an older version of the OS (than the one that created it). This -might- make it possible so that you can then use setup assistant (with a new OS install) to "recognize" the backup and use it.
I DON'T REALLY KNOW MUCH ABOUT THIS, it's up to you to investigate further.
(I could have "read it wrong")

Now you face the hurdle of trying to find a Mojave installer.
I think there might be an easy way to do this (although this sounds convoluted):
You need to download DOS Dude's "Mojave Patcher Tool for Unsupported Macs" from here:

YOU ONLY NEED THIS FOR ONE PURPOSE:
It's a quick way to "get a copy of Mojave".

I believe that what you need to do is:
Download the Patcher app;
Launch it and go to the Tools menu and choose the only option:
Download macOS Mojave.

Once you have that, you'll need to create a USB installer.
You need a USB3 flashdrive 16gb (or larger).

You need either one of these:
DiskMaker X
or
Install Disk Creator.
(search for them and download them, both are free)

DOWNLOAD BOTH OF THEM. If one doesn't work for you, the other might.

These may even run and create the flashdrive while running Big Sur.
I can't answer that with certainty, but you must try to see if it works.

Once you have your flashdrive created, you need to:
1. Boot from the flashdrive (hold down the option key while booting)
2. Open disk utilty
3. IMPORTANT: go to the view menu and choose "show all devices"
4. Look on the left for the "topmost" line that shows the physical drive inside.
5. ERASE THE ENTIRE DRIVE to APFS with GUID partition format
6. Now, close disk utility and see if Mojave will install.

IF IT DOES,
When done you should see the initial setup screen:
"choose your language".
Begin clicking through.
Setup assistant will ask if you wish to migrate from another drive.
NOW it's time to connect the cloned backup and see if it can be "recognized"
(again, setup assistant generally cannot "migrate" to "an older version" of the OS -- that's why I mentioned that new feature of CCC above).
If the CCC backup WORKS with setup assistant, use it.

IF SETUP ASSISTANT CAN'T SEE the backup, then your only choice may be to "manually migrate" from the cloned backup.
That means copying stuff over "by hand", a little at a time.
This will involve a lot of work and thought.
If you do this, you'll need to do this as well:
a. connect the backup, let it mount in the finder
b. click on the backup icon ONE TIME to select it
c. bring up the get info box on the backup drive (type "command-i")
d. click the lock at the bottom of get info and enter the new password for the new account you just created
e. put a checkmark into "ignore ownership on this volume" (sharing & permissions)
f. close get info.
This avoids permissions problems.

OK, you have LOTS OF WORK to do if you want to make this journey.
So... get going.
 
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Arktika

macrumors newbie
Original poster
Oct 17, 2019
11
2
My advice (made without promises):
PRINT OUT OR SAVE THIS POST.

Download CarbonCopyCloner from:
CCC is FREE to download and use for the first 30 days, this won't cost you anything.

Use CCC to create a cloned backup of your Big Sur install onto an external USB3 drive.
Put this aside for the moment. YOU'RE GOING TO NEED IT LATER.

Possibly important: I read that the most recent release of CCC reportedly contains some feature that can "condition" a cloned backup to be "recognizable" by an older version of the OS (than the one that created it). This -might- make it possible so that you can then use setup assistant (with a new OS install) to "recognize" the backup and use it.
I DON'T REALLY KNOW MUCH ABOUT THIS, it's up to you to investigate further.
(I could have "read it wrong")

Now you face the hurdle of trying to find a Mojave installer.
I think there might be an easy way to do this (although this sounds convoluted):
You need to download DOS Dude's "Mojave Patcher Tool for Unsupported Macs" from here:

YOU ONLY NEED THIS FOR ONE PURPOSE:
It's a quick way to "get a copy of Mojave".

I believe that what you need to do is:
Download the Patcher app;
Launch it and go to the Tools menu and choose the only option:
Download macOS Mojave.

Once you have that, you'll need to create a USB installer.
You need a USB3 flashdrive 16gb (or larger).

You need either one of these:
DiskMaker X
or
Install Disk Creator.
(search for them and download them, both are free)

DOWNLOAD BOTH OF THEM. If one doesn't work for you, the other might.

These may even run and create the flashdrive while running Big Sur.
I can't answer that with certainty, but you must try to see if it works.

Once you have your flashdrive created, you need to:
1. Boot from the flashdrive (hold down the option key while booting)
2. Open disk utilty
3. IMPORTANT: go to the view menu and choose "show all devices"
4. Look on the left for the "topmost" line that shows the physical drive inside.
5. ERASE THE ENTIRE DRIVE to APFS with GUID partition format
6. Now, close disk utility and see if Mojave will install.

IF IT DOES,
When done you should see the initial setup screen:
"choose your language".
Begin clicking through.
Setup assistant will ask if you wish to migrate from another drive.
NOW it's time to connect the cloned backup and see if it can be "recognized"
(again, setup assistant generally cannot "migrate" to "an older version" of the OS -- that's why I mentioned that new feature of CCC above).
If the CCC backup WORKS with setup assistant, use it.

IF SETUP ASSISTANT CAN'T SEE the backup, then your only choice may be to "manually migrate" from the cloned backup.
That means copying stuff over "by hand", a little at a time.
This will involve a lot of work and thought.
If you do this, you'll need to do this as well:
a. connect the backup, let it mount in the finder
b. click on the backup icon ONE TIME to select it
c. bring up the get info box on the backup drive (type "command-i")
d. click the lock at the bottom of get info and enter the new password for the new account you just created
e. put a checkmark into "ignore ownership on this volume" (sharing & permissions)
f. close get info.
This avoids permissions problems.

OK, you have LOTS OF WORK to do if you want to make this journey.
So... get going.
THANK YOU SOOO MUCH !
 
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