MP 1,1-5,1 How to get Windows 10 onto a 2.1?

[ADDvanced]

So I have two machines, a 5.1 and a 2.1 I'm selling to a friend. I told him I'd get a fresh copy of 10.11 on it, and a fresh copy of windows 10. I have a copy of Windows 7 on my 5.1 on it's own SSD, so I was sort of thinking of just making 2 fresh win10 installs, one for the 2.1 and one for the 5.1.

I started reading and now my head is spinning. Virtual machines. Modifying windows DVDs. All of this sounds super annoying. I have a 32 gig USB drive sitting here, empty, and I have a windows 10 iso I downloaded from a pirate ship.

What's the most straightforward way of getting two windows 10 drives?

 

[Nguyen Duc Hieu]

You already have a windows machine running. It's easy then.

Option A: You need a USB box for the HDD. SATA may work, too. But I have not tried it yet. (I have a native Windows PC) => This option is not working, Rufus won't let you create WindowsToGo disk from Window 10 ISO in a Windows 7 environment.
1) Boot to Window 7 (on your 5,1):
- Download Windows 10 ISO. Need to be an old build (mine is build 1803 and worked perfectly, newer build may fail the WindowsToGo style)
- Download and install Rufus (https://rufus.ie/)
- Download BootCamp 6 (https://mega.nz/file/7E0l1LxI#Y41IkRECUEZ-PrduAdjosJoOSA9bojWXj1O5Rv8AEdg)
- Use Rufus to write the windows ISO to a blank SSD (NTFS format, MBR) on the form of WindowsToGo. I have not tried the HDD connected to a SATA cable yet. I installed it via a USB box.
- Copy BootCamp6 files to a folder on the SSD you just installed Windows 10.
- Eject (unmount) the USB box. Take out the SSD

- Insert the second SSD to the USB box, plug it in the machine.
- Run Rufus again to make the second SSD.

- Reboot to OSX.
- Turn-off the MP and insert the SSD back to 1 SATA slot on MP 5,1.

2) Power on the MP again:
- It will boot to OSX as normal
- Open System Preferences and open Start Up Disk. You should be able to select the Windows 10 SSD as start up disk by now.
- Boot from that SSD to Windows 10 and continue to install drivers.
- You will need to install Boot Camp to Windows anyway because it will automate the driver installation process, plus help you boot back to Mac OS from Windows desktop.

After confirming that the new WIndows 10 SSD is working fine. You can migrate data from windows 7 SSD and delete it afterward.

Option B: You need 1 USB (thumb drive or SSD in USB box, doesn't matter)
- Boot to Windows 7 on your 5,1
- Download the windows ISO, but choose the option: Make USB installer.
- When finished, eject the USB installer
- Plug it in again, run setup.exe if it doesn't run automatically.
- It will upgrade your windows 7 to windows 10.
- Now clone the windows 10 SSD to the second SSD.

 

[TrevorR90]

Forgive my ignorance but is Bootcamp not possible for the 2.1?

 

[ADDvanced]

It is but only for win7 since the 2.1 stops at 10.11

 

[EugW]

Read the description at the YouTube site for the video here:

And I repeat, read the description of the video. Don't just watch the video.

BTW, I have three main issues with Windows 10:

1) I can't get the Magic Mouse and Magic Keyboard drivers to install. They are only seen as a generic mouse and keyboard.

Does Windows 10 (190x) kill the BootCamp 6 install hack for the original Mac Pro (1,1)?

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2) Netflix 1080p in either Edge or the Netflix app locks up Windows hard, requiring a reboot. Sometimes the lockup happens in a minute or two, and sometimes it happens after 20 mins, but it's consistent. This is on two different Mac Pros with completely different RAM so it doesn't appear to be a Mac Pro hardware issue. Plus I see on the forums it happens to a fair number of PCs as well. Netflix 720p in Chrome works perfectly and is 100% stable.

Windows 10 Netflix 1080p (Netflix app or Edge browser) locks up Mac Pro 2006

I've upgraded my 2006 MacPro1,1 with 7 GB OEM RAM (big heatsinks) and OEM Radeon HD 5770, and flashed it to MacPro2,1, although it still has the original CPUs, the Xeon 5150. In Windows 10 everything* works perfectly... except Netflix 1080p, both with the Netflix application and Netflix in Edge...

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3) I've had to deactivate sleep, since after my 2 x quad 3 GHz X5365 wakes up, it is slow as molasses in winter. I did not have this problem on my 2 x dual 2.66 GHz 5150. Apparently, it is not an uncommon problem with various PCs as well, but the recommended fixes for this issue don't work for me.

If anyone knows how to fix these, please let me know.

 

[ADDvanced]

Yeah I was hoping not to watch that video since it’s 11 parts long.

 

[EugW]

Yeah I was hoping not to watch that video since it’s 11 parts long.

It's just one video. The other videos (except one of them) are about other stuff (like upgrades and such).

However, like I said, what you need to do is to read the description. That's actually the most important part.

 

[Nguyen Duc Hieu]

Forgive my ignorance but is Bootcamp not possible for the 2.1?

Yes, BootCamp newer than 4.0 is not officially supported by Apple, if "not possible" is what you meant.

 

[MIKX]

For a friend's genuine 2,1 Cmp with El Capitan 10.11.6 + EFI flashed HIS 5870 . . .

I installed Win 7 on it's own SATA port.

Bootpicker works at boot time so no need for BootCamp.

I hate BootCamp.

 

[ADDvanced]

You already have a windows machine running. It's easy then.

Option A: You need a USB box for the HDD. SATA may work, too. But I have not tried it yet. (I have a native Windows PC)
1) Boot to Window 7 (on your 5,1):
- Download Windows 10 ISO. Need to be an old build (mine is build 1803 and worked perfectly, newer build may fail the WindowsToGo style)
- Download and install Rufus (https://rufus.ie/)
- Download BootCamp 6 (https://mega.nz/file/7E0l1LxI#Y41IkRECUEZ-PrduAdjosJoOSA9bojWXj1O5Rv8AEdg)
- Use Rufus to write the windows ISO to a blank SSD (NTFS format, MBR) on the form of WindowsToGo. I have not tried the HDD connected to a SATA cable yet. I installed it via a USB box.
- Copy BootCamp6 files to a folder on the SSD you just installed Windows 10.
- Eject (unmount) the USB box. Take out the SSD

- Insert the second SSD to the USB box, plug it in the machine.
- Run Rufus again to make the second SSD.

- Reboot to OSX.
- Turn-off the MP and insert the SSD back to 1 SATA slot on MP 5,1.

2) Power on the MP again:
- It will boot to OSX as normal
- Open System Preferences and open Start Up Disk. You should be able to select the Windows 10 SSD as start up disk by now.
- Boot from that SSD to Windows 10 and continue to install drivers.
- You will need to install Boot Camp to Windows anyway because it will automate the driver installation process, plus help you boot back to Mac OS from Windows desktop.

After confirming that the new WIndows 10 SSD is working fine. You can migrate data from windows 7 SSD and delete it afterward.

Option B: You need 1 USB (thumb drive or SSD in USB box, doesn't matter)
- Boot to Windows 7 on your 5,1
- Download the windows ISO, but choose the option: Make USB installer.
- When finished, eject the USB installer
- Plug it in again, run setup.exe if it doesn't run automatically.
- It will upgrade your windows 7 to windows 10.
- Now clone the windows 10 SSD to the second SSD.

So I tried this.... downloaded win 10 and rufus... made a bootable USB drive.... I do not see how it is possible to use rufus to install a .iso straight to an SSD. But I did use it to create a bootable USB drive. Thing is, I can't boot from it. I've tried removing all my drives and just havin the USB drive plugged in, still can't find it. I tried running the installer from the USB, it says installer is starting, then kicks me back to the OS.

What sucks is my win 7 install is ****ed up somehow, and I get a BSOD if I try to boot normally.... safe mode still works for now, so that's what I'm using.

 

[Nguyen Duc Hieu]

So I tried this.... downloaded win 10 and rufus... made a bootable USB drive.... I do not see how it is possible to use rufus to install a .iso straight to an SSD. But I did use it to create a bootable USB drive. Thing is, I can't boot from it. I've tried removing all my drives and just havin the USB drive plugged in, still can't find it. I tried running the installer from the USB, it says installer is starting, then kicks me back to the OS.

What sucks is my win 7 install is ****ed up somehow, and I get a BSOD if I try to boot normally.... safe mode still works for now, so that's what I'm using.

Making a USB installer of Windows 10 will not work on MacPro 1,1/2,1. The machine can not be booted from a USB.
To install Windows from scratch, you can only use Windows DVD installer.

I have a PC running Windows natively, and Rufus works nicely in creating a WindowsToGo disk.
Or you can try this: Install windows to a SSD/HDD in a PC, then move that SSD/HDD to your MacPro.
If you can select from "System Reference" to boot from that SSD/HDD, then you can continue to install BootCamp to it.

 

[ADDvanced]

Ok, made the DVD installer and patched it like shown in the video, that worked!

Enabling AHCSI or whatever, that worked too!

Need to install bootcamp drivers next.

Question, since I ultimately need two drives (one for my 2.1 and one for my 5.1) can I just clone the drive?

 

[Nguyen Duc Hieu]

Ok, made the DVD installer and patched it like shown in the video, that worked!

Enabling AHCSI or whatever, that worked too!

Need to install bootcamp drivers next.

Question, since I ultimately need two drives (one for my 2.1 and one for my 5.1) can I just clone the drive?

It will be the same with BootCamp6 installed
Booting to the new MP the first time will be a little long, different chipset, different VGA card etc... All drivers need to be re-installed for the new computer.

 

[EugW]

Correct me if I'm wrong but IIRC, you cannot install all the BootCamp 6 drivers, as Windows 10 will crash. The main problem is the audio drivers. To not crash and to get proper audio support you need to install the BootCamp 4 Realtek audio drivers. The generic Microsoft drivers do not work.

BTW @ADDvanced, did you read that description as I suggested? Cuz it seems you may have gone through more effort than was necessary to get Windows 10 installed. Good learning process though I guess.

 

[Nguyen Duc Hieu]

Windows did not crash on my MP1,1. It just didn't provide any sound.
After installing audio drivers from the BootCamp 4 files. Everything worked fine.

 

[ADDvanced]

So weird thing.

On the 2.1 I installed Windows ten, then booted into OS X recovery, and opened terminal to change to trim/ahci , and it worked great! On the 2.1.

On the 5.1 completely different story. Did the same exact thing, and every time I tried to enable AHCI it wouldn’t boot; I would just get w black screen w a blinking cursor

 

[Nguyen Duc Hieu]

So weird thing.

On the 2.1 I installed Windows ten, then booted into OS X recovery, and opened terminal to change to trim/ahci , and it worked great! On the 2.1.

On the 5.1 completely different story. Did the same exact thing, and every time I tried to enable AHCI it wouldn’t boot; I would just get w black screen w a blinking cursor

Just my curiosity, not a suggestion to your problem:
1) How did you partition your SSDs? GPT or MBR?
2) If the SSDs are supposed to run windows, isn't it better to enable trim from within Windows rather than OSX?

fsutil behavior query DisableDeleteNotify

 

[ADDvanced]

Idk
I was following this video