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Shirasaki

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So, I use a Windows PC and a Mac, but want to “share” a single iTunes library between Mac and Windows PC.

I played around a bit and find Music App Library file is not the same as iTunes library file, so iTunes won’t be able to open music library file and Music app can’t update iTunes library file. I am using Monterrey so iTunes is out of question on Mac for obvious reason.

Do you guys have some ideas how this might work? I will do some testing later on as well.

Before you guys ask, iTunes Match is not an option, neither does Apple Music. I strictly mean local iTunes library.
 

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Yeah, make a shared library on a Mac mini server and let the Mac and that other box of part access the shared library. Easy to stream it to iPads and iPhone then.
 

Shirasaki

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Just use the built-in library sharing feature. No need to manage two libraries.

Yeah, make a shared library on a Mac mini server and let the Mac and that other box of part access the shared library. Easy to stream it to iPads and iPhone then.
I need a singular library where I can select which music I want to sync to which device while maintaining a master library that I can keep adding music into from various sources (No. iTunes Store is not the only place to purchase music). I googled this shared library thing, being limited to home network only is the dealbreaker, ignoring the five device limit.

Maybe I should describe my request as "I need a shared iTunes library that multiple iOS devices could sync with, and that library can be managed on both macOS and Windows".
 

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Okay so we can see now what you wanna achieve.
You didn't say why 'home sharing' was a 'dealbreaker'.
IDK, maybe you have a Mac and a PC in two different locations and you were hoping library sharing was WAN accessible rather than only being local network?

I know you wanna keep adding tunes to your library no matter where the they come from, that's not the concern, the concern, or shall I mean, complication is, there really isn't an effective efficient way to maintain a singular library on different computers for different devices other than a library on one machine, make it sharable and keep adding to that library and then manually manage what tunes go to what devices.

No matter what most people do by using this syncing idea, you know it's just just bulk loading all their tunes to an iPhone. To me just just wacko's idea. I dunno why people essentially wanna carry everything from the fridge in a back pack so they have a full selection to choose from for lunch each day, make a plan, dump only the beats you wanna listen too. Unless you got some weird American thing going (yes they are all weirdos over there, when DnB DJ's first started to go to play sets in the states, the guys stood there looking at each other and started Brock out on the dancefloor doing break dancing back spins lol to 174 BPM DnB, lol, clueless muppets OMGosh WTF they though they were Turbo in beat street back in 83) on where in the morning your'e listening to Erik Satie Gymnopédie and then in the afternoon after sniffing glue you start listening to an Optiv + BTK mix.

Manually managing music is a different strategy, one that you may not have used before or reluctant to. iTunes allows us to set this for each device, so on each device just create some playlists and drag over the tunes from the Finder or File Explorer (or whatever they call that useless thing at M$) to the playlists that you gona listen to for the next day, week or however long, some stuff may be fresh cuts you wanna on rotation for a week so plan what you gonna listen too and add a few bits you may wanna listen to. No-one really needs 60 thousand gigs of tunes in your pocket all the time. If something pops into your head you don't have on you, jus fire up Discogs or Youtube, find and listen to it, it's usually only temporary.

But still, no matter what you thinking, having a Mac and a PC with loads of tunes with two libraries isn't going to work out, if you can try alter your approach make the share the library work then just dump all those tunes on a server at home and manually copy over beats to your phones ad hoc, it's really the only practical and sensible way to do it.

Maybe you could use something like Chronosync to sync tunes tat you manually arrange on computers, instead of iTunes libraries. Still, dump the tunes on a server with WAN access, IDK maybe a NAS type solution...theres should be ways to do that avoiding iTunes Libraries but manually adding tracks to phones.

Personally I don't even use iTunes Libraries, I just manage all the tunes on a Music volume on one machine and just use iTunes to manually let me copy over about a weeks worth of beats to whatever phone im going to use. Then on the weekend if I got some fresh bits, I just delete everything on the phone and copy over different stuff, rinse it out.

You'd probably wanna flip this to the iTunes forum if there is one, probably some dude have other ideas that may be worth considering.
 

Shirasaki

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But still, no matter what you thinking, having a Mac and a PC with loads of tunes with two libraries isn't going to work out, if you can try alter your approach make the share the library work then just dump all those tunes on a server at home and manually copy over beats to your phones ad hoc, it's really the only practical and sensible way to do it.
Before the music app was introduced, iTunes was available both on Mac and Windows. All I needed was a single iTunes library and I could sync music on either Mac or Windows PC. I just unplug the library drive and plug it into another computer. Ezpz.
Now with this music app comes a different format of library file that is not backward compatible. So I probably either maintain the library on Mac or Windows, but no longer on both devices.
 

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Now with this music app comes a different format of library file that is not backward compatible. So I probably either maintain the library on Mac or Windows, but no longer on both devices.
Yeah, that's gonna complicate it for sure, and typical when depending on someones Library format. Ask the question, how many times have music, photo and other Apple Library formats changed over the years, loads probably.

Give some thought to abandoning the Library formats. Maintain a music volume on an external manually, way less headaches, and you can structure it the way you wanna in the file system rather than having iTunes destroy everything, seen it way too many times.

Use 3rd party tagging tools to add the metadata if it's missing, or in the Finder get info on AIFF's, AAC's, MP3's etc and drop album artwork to them if that's what you need. Most of the time I like to name the file name, artist-track number-track title, and Folder names, Artist-Album-Disc#, it's way easier to sort folders and play tracks in order.

Doing things this way gives you the flexibility and the freedom of portability without being interfered with by software libraries.

You can use Phonix https://phonix.nl.eu.org on the Mac to play tunes, it can list your entire music folder in a sidebar so then it's no dependent on a Library format, and just use iTunes on Winblowz to manually add tunes to your phones, or the Finder and Music on Monterey.

I've played with Music on Monterey, from what I've seen it's not really a feature finished app neither is the embedded iTunes into the Finder. If I recall they integrated iTunes into Catalina's Finder, but I've neither use Catalina or Big Sur so I can't reference what those were able to do and the state of feature set, all I can observe is what I have with Monterey and it isn't great in any aspect.

Music App, select iPhone device, it has a Sync setting button which opens Finder, essentially the same General tab in iTunes. When Manually manage music is checked, is asks to sync and erase, okay but there are no beats on the phone. Then it looks like it backs the phone up and erases the music library on the phone, none of these are what've intended to achieve. Typically in iTunes, you'd check manually manage music, switch to the Music Tab, then you'd either drag playlists from the sidebar (for me that'd have been folders from the Finder dragged into the iTunes side bar resulting in a playlist created from the folder name) then I'd drag those into the music list pane. But on Monterey, you don't have the same iTunes sidebar, you can drag folders from the Finder directly into the music list pane, it shows a copy progress bar but everything is greyed (no idea what is on it), there's a Sync Music check box, beats me why that is even there, it shouldn't be where' not in sync mode. The music list pane is supposed to be a free area drop zone for our tunes, both, individual tracks in folders for which playlists are created, but none of that **** happens here. It's the wrong behaviour, that's plain to see to me, bit it'd be hella confusing to a generic user. IDK what's going on with this, either they haven't finished manually manage functionality or they don't want us to use it like that or they forgotten about it and want loads of people to ring them up and ask for support.

It gets even more bizarre, you can then switch to the Music app after the Manually manage Music checkbox is enabled cos we've seen already the Finder ignores manually manage music, everything greyed out, expects you to sync, but with what..lol...

In Music app it has a sidebar, you can drag folders of tracks or albums to it, which creates playlists from the folder name, and contents, as expected, can then drag those Playlists to the iPhone device. But still is fsck'd up, the music list doesn't allow you to view the list on the phone as Playlists, only tracks, and all the sort options are greyed out in the view menu. You know you'd want to see the playlists in list view, and then rag other tracks from the Finder into them and you should be able to set the play order, abc title or track number but there's absolutely no user view type other that what they used to call it Song list view, a huge list of randomly ordered tunes,, no clue as to what playlists are on the phone. You click off the iPhone, an on to a Playlist on the sidebar in Music and then back to select the device and it re-populated columns that'd be previous unchecked, like Genre, I never list anything by genre, so I uncheck it but it keeps being re-added for instance.

I suppose the Music sidebar Playlists can be used as a temporary drop zone for organising prior to dropping them onto the phone.

IDK, what they are doing here, maybe even they don't know what they are doing, it's a poor setup, neither logical nor providing the most basic manually managed functionality.

Maybe Music and Finder iTunes are still a work in progress, think I'll get some feedback to them and keep an eye on any changes, if any, maybe they listening but doubt it.

There is an app I saw a while ago, forget the name, but something that allowed us to install Apple apps that had been removed, so maybe adding iTunes back this way to manually manage music the proper way is a solution for the time being...

I'll drop dome screenshots in so you can what we're dealign with:

Finder-iPhone-General.png


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dmccloud

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I do this in a different (and in my mind simpler) manner than a lot of what people have described here. I have an external HDD that I keep my entire iTunes library on (music, TV shows, Movies, etc.). I have iTunes on my Windows machine (yes, Apple still makes that app available on Windows) and it points to the .itl file in the iTunes folder on the external drive. On my Mac, both the TV and Apple Music Apps also point to that same folder. What's interesting about this setup is that it does create a new "Apple Music" folder inside the iTunes folder, and I have gotten iTunes on the Windows machine to read it.

There is another reason to keep your iTunes content on an external drive - if you have to do a complete wipe/reinstall of the OS or the SSD/HDD in the machine dies suddenly, you have all of those files on external storage that you can just reassociate with a new install or even new machine. This also works for games downloaded via Origin, Steam, GoG, Battle.net Launcher, and similar tools.
 

Shirasaki

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There is another reason to keep your iTunes content on an external drive - if you have to do a complete wipe/reinstall of the OS or the SSD/HDD in the machine dies suddenly, you have all of those files on external storage that you can just reassociate with a new install or even new machine. This also works for games downloaded via Origin, Steam, GoG, Battle.net Launcher, and similar tools.
Yeah. This is what I’m doing for years. Thinking about those NVME SSD with enclosure for cheaper fast speed ssd that is more than enough for this type of application.
 
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