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How will the disappearance of the Bootcamp affect you?
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No option to simply run a Windows machine separate? I hate restarting any machine during workflow, Mac or PC, so I never found the appeal of Boot Camp. Granted this is my situation and I have a bunch of machines just because but I won't necessarily skip on no-Boot Camp ARM Macs if I had to do a lot of demanding work on Windows that needed me to switch constantly.
Agreed. I like Quicken for Windows over the Mac version. Right now it should still work in CodeWeaver’s CrossOver WINE app, but if it stops, I’ll just buy a Surface Go or subscribe to a cloud Windows service.
There are going to be many ways to continue running Windows natively on the new machines. Some are more creative than Bootcamp. But if you want to run windows on your Apple Silicon Mac you will be able to.
I don't use Boot Camp to dual-boot macOS with Windows. I use Boot Camp drivers to boot Windows on a Mac in place of macOS. Macs running Windows are among the smoothest PCs I've ever used. Case in point: My MacBook Pro (Retina, 13-inch, Late 2012) won't be among the list of Macs that are supported for macOS Big Sur. This means that, I have either two more years of security updates for Catalina, or, I can switch to Windows 10, where I can have AT LEAST nine more years of security update support, effectively breathing even more life into it. My Mac might STILL be getting security patch support past the point where Apple is abandoning security patch support for its first ARM Macs.
Seeing as I am at home on either platform, the ability to run Windows basically gives my Mac reasons to forego the landfill.
Seeing as I am at home on either platform, the ability to run Windows basically gives my Mac reasons to forego the landfill.
I was a fan of BootCamp when I bought my Mac based on Intel in 2008 but later I catched myself that giving so many options (incl virtualization) destroys overall joy of having Mac and use Mac OS(X). In other words it was used mainly because Office for Mac at that time was terrible and almost no compatible with the same product on Windows (especially if you write a VBA scripts). Also I started to use it because there were no H.264 hardware decoding on OSX that was available on Windows (NVIDIA GF 8600GT) so I can watch my favourite David Lynch movies without fan noise. After some time I had impression that I am not happy switching and sad thing that that Windows OS is far for perfection but much safe, reliable and supported platform if you plan to use your computer for long period of time. So I am not going to worry about dropping BootCamp because this move will give a consumers much better satisfaction to use a Mac without Mr Jekyll and Mr Hyde syndrom when switching between multiple OS. Some people may be disappointed but they can always buy a Linux/Windows laptop. One bad thing is that like I mentioned earlier - with Boot Camp we can use our machine longer (Mac OS lifespan / support is short) and now Apple will force everyone to buy a new Mac.
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I occasionally use Bootcamp for games, if I need to test some software on Windows I use virtualization. Losing Windows gaming wold be a bit annoying, but one will have to wait and see how it will play out. Best case scenario, the new MBP will be fast enough to virtualize games (but I don't expect this). Worst case scenario, I can use one of the online services or just get a crappy used gaming laptop... all in all not a big loss. Certainly nothing to make me think about moving away from Mac.
I've largely left the Macintosh fold, one reason was the then rumored move to ARM. I have specific needs that macOS fails to meet adequately. Other factors included the buggy versions of macOS, where Catalina is the poster child, and the fact that I bought a PC laptop that cost me 2k, but a similarly configured Mac would have run in the 4k range.
I am intrigued by the ARM macs, and I was impressed by the presentation, but for my daily driver, it will be a windows machine.
I am intrigued by the ARM macs, and I was impressed by the presentation, but for my daily driver, it will be a windows machine.
That may be a possibility even if such a deal is made.
The only reason I see for running Windows on a Mac (either bootcamp or virtualisation) is for non macOS software. But from what I gather software support for Windows ARM is poor at this point anyway making it nowhere near as useful as x86 windows.
I’m in the camp of trying to decide at the moment if I should buy the MP 7.1 or wait it out with my current machine!
Just got a loaded (i7/64gb/2tb) Mini and have installed Windows 10 with Parallels. This new system will replace two old Macs and a Windows 7 PC (which I use for specialized GIS software). So far, so good, I'm also running 32-bit legacy Mac apps in a Sierra virtual machine under Parallels.
I considered using Bootcamp for Windows, which would offer better performance. But then I couldn't use a Mac at the same time as Windows. I work with some huge GIS files on Windows, and it often takes a long time to export raster imagery or other files. I need to continue using a Mac at those times, so losing a bit of performance is an acceptable compromise.
The ARM Macs seem to hold a lot of promise, and in a few years I might be ready for one. But I'm quite happy with Intel for now.
I considered using Bootcamp for Windows, which would offer better performance. But then I couldn't use a Mac at the same time as Windows. I work with some huge GIS files on Windows, and it often takes a long time to export raster imagery or other files. I need to continue using a Mac at those times, so losing a bit of performance is an acceptable compromise.
The ARM Macs seem to hold a lot of promise, and in a few years I might be ready for one. But I'm quite happy with Intel for now.
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At the moment, I have exactly the same thoughts. I am inclined to take 7.1 and in 5 years+, фтв when everything calms down, look at the situation. But after the presentation of new AS Macs at the end of this year.
There's no option to "Walk away from Apple". I currently use Macs because of the following:
1. They're great UNIX machines
2. They run windows natively (good enough to play modern games)
If my next laptop purchase is between a Windows machine or an ARM based Mac, I'm going the Windows machine. That is of course if they're still open enough to run Linux.
1. They're great UNIX machines
2. They run windows natively (good enough to play modern games)
If my next laptop purchase is between a Windows machine or an ARM based Mac, I'm going the Windows machine. That is of course if they're still open enough to run Linux.