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ChazUK

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To be honest, I'd probably get more excited over any optics that Nokia will bring to WP7.
A friend of mine is unfortunate enough to own an N8 but boy is the camera good on it. :)
 

Dr McKay

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To be honest, I'd probably get more excited over any optics that Nokia will bring to WP7.
A friend of mine is unfortunate enough to own an N8 but boy is the camera good on it. :)

Nokia has always made quality hardware, but as the Smartphone started to change to what we know now, It was sorely let down by Symbian.
 

maflynn

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It's not the number of Megapixels, but the sensor size. Jamming that many MPs into a tiny sensor will not give you a good camera
 

Fubar1977

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It's not the number of Megapixels, but the sensor size. Jamming that many MPs into a tiny sensor will not give you a good camera

True.
An 8MP cam with with a better lens will destroy it.

Cameraphones will always be a bit gimped purely because of their size and multifunction nature.
I had the 12MP SE Satio for a couple of months and it was good for a phone but my old 7MP compact camera with a better lens blew it away.
 

*LTD*

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Feb 5, 2009
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True.
An 8MP cam with with a better lens will destroy it.

Cameraphones will always be a bit gimped purely because of their size and multifunction nature.

Very soon it will make no difference as these cameraphones will supersede single-function point-and-shoot cameras in sales. In due course it won't be worth it to manufacture them unless they're higher-end. And by point-and-shoot I mean a Canon Powershot SD1000, for example.

Device convergence. Cameraphones have been catching up very nicely as of late. I can do so me pretty astounding things with my iPhone 4 camera plus photo software. The only real issue yet to be sorted out is zoom.
 

thejadedmonkey

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So true. Between my SLR, Samsung Focus, and Cannon SD780, I see no reason to keep my P&S, except that I couldn't sell it for much, and it's a quality camera in case I ever need to take a camera somewhere and don't want to use my cellphone? Do situations like that even exist?

With the newer high-end smart phones, I feel like the convergence has already been completed.
 

maflynn

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Device convergence. Cameraphones have been catching up very nicely as of late. I can do so me pretty astounding things with my iPhone 4 camera plus photo software. The only real issue yet to be sorted out is zoom.
Until they start adding a decently sized sensor there will be no true convergence. The iPhone does take great pictures - for a phone. There's no comparison when it comes to a point and shoot camera, never mind a digital SLR.

Both cameras handle low light situations, much better then the iPhone, the aperture can handle faster shutter speeds so you can increase/decrease the aperture and shutter speeds depending on the conditions.

Cameras have way too much ability and performance over a camera phone. They're only catching up on megapixels, sensor size, RAW, aperture, lens, shutter speed have not been addressed on a phone
 

Rodimus Prime

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Oct 9, 2006
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HTC 16 Megapixel handset incoming?

Hopefully they wont ruin it by putting cheap, knock-off lenses in.

Well one thing that was discovered later after a lot of the reviews was people were not remove the little plastic film over them. They assumed incorrectly that because there was a cut or for it that it was not on there. After you remove the the plastic film it worked great. (film is a lot like the plastic one on the iPhone when you first get it)
 

infidel69

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Smartphones will never completly replace cameras. I know it's hard for some people to accept that not everyone owns a smartphone.
 

Alaerian

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If you're entirely happy with a smartphone camera and consider replacing your P&S, you must be happy with mediocre quality photos. Myself, I'd rather have my Canon for when I know I'll be taking photos, and my iPhone for "okay quality" snaps suitable for Facebook.
 

Rodimus Prime

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Oct 9, 2006
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Why...?

16 MP in a phone for what?

well I would say 16MP would be great for when I need to take a snap shot of someone homework or something posted somewhere. Easier to zoom in and read the text. But for taking good phoses I will take an SLR or a dedicated camera.

My 4MP digital camera from 7 years ago takes better photos than any camera phone I have seen no matter the Megapixels. But then again that camera does have better optics than any phone could ever have on it.
 

zap2

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Mar 8, 2005
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How cares about megapixels?

Yes, many times they correlate with good phones, but for the vast majority, 5MP is plenty. Its about about the quality of other parts of the camera, so yes the Nokia N8 has a 12MP camera, but its not the 12MPs that makes it so great, its that Nokia used a quality high end parts.(my understand of camera tech is limited)
 

rhett7660

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Jan 9, 2008
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I will reserve judgment on this until I see the photo's. I would rather have great optics and a descent sensor then a very high pixel count. I like the fact thou, the smart phones are pushing. This means one less thing for me to carry in the not to distant future.
 

neiltc13

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May 27, 2006
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Because they ran out of ideas.

When all else fails just slam a bigger camera in there. Just play the specs game. Never mind the software ecosystem.

Err? It runs Windows Phone 7 so it will be able to run all of the Windows Phone 7 apps and it also syncs with Zune or iTunes (via Windows Phone 7 connector on Mac) in just the same way as iPhone does.

Remind me again what part of the "software ecosystem" is missing here?
 

maccompaq

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A big problem with the big megapixels is the amount of storage they take on your phone. You cannot adjust the megapixel size down with a phone camera like you can with a point & shoot camera. A 16 megapixel camera in a phone will not give you a better picture than a 5 megapixel camera in a phone. A phone just does not have the room to install a quality sensor.
 

ChazUK

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Feb 3, 2008
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A big problem with the big megapixels is the amount of storage they take on your phone. You cannot adjust the megapixel size down with a phone camera like you can with a point & shoot camera.

I think you can adjust the resolution on Windows Phone 7.
WP7-resetting-camera-settings-Microsoft-says-its-meant-to-do-that.jpg


Pretty much every phone I've had has has adjustable resolution settings.
 

thermodynamic

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HTC 16 Megapixel handset incoming?

Hopefully they wont ruin it by putting cheap, knock-off lenses in.

Megapixel myth.

Even a point'n'shoot camera will yield better results than a cell phone gimmick. Unless all I wanted to do was take illicit snapshots of the price of canned corn in a grocery store's tinned vegetables aisle... grocery stores say they don't like people taking pictures of things in their stores...
 

thermodynamic

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A big problem with the big megapixels is the amount of storage they take on your phone. You cannot adjust the megapixel size down with a phone camera like you can with a point & shoot camera. A 16 megapixel camera in a phone will not give you a better picture than a 5 megapixel camera in a phone. A phone just does not have the room to install a quality sensor.

Exactly, re: sensors. The amount of electricity-induced noise on a small 16MP sensor for a cell camera is going to render images fairly useless at large sizes (even 8.5x11 would doubtlessly require a lot of cleanup work.) For practical purposes, it may as well remain a 3MP sensor...
 
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