Hypothetical question about D750 successor

[Freida]

Hey guys,

just wanted to ask you something. How much better would the successor of D750 be if it got AF from D5/D500? I read today that D750 has great AF but the outer points are a bit of a weakness. How much of that is true?
What are other weaknesses that D750 has?

Just curious as I'm about 27days away from pulling the trigger so I'm just curious about these few things.

Please don't kill me, I know that I asked about D750 a lot but its the type of customer I am. Just want to know as much as I can before committing to something so expensive

 

[kenoh]

So I only use the center point to focus-recompose... So outer points I could care less about...

Where you are, by the time the d750 is not good enough for you, the d790 mk V will be out.

Don't be tricked into "it has worse AF than the new one" that is relative terminology designed to slacken the purse strings. In absolute terms it is very very good.

After all a Porsche 911 is slower than a 911 GT3... Both are still massively quick and plenty fast for 95% of the population but on paper the GT3 is better and so saying the normal one is slower than the GT3, means sheeple want the GT3. They wouldn't sell as many if they said the base 911 is mindblowing and the GT3 is even better... Same here.

It will be a long time before you reach that single digit percent where the outer points matter to you.

 

[Apple fanboy]

Hey guys,

just wanted to ask you something. How much better would the successor of D750 be if it got AF from D5/D500? I read today that D750 has great AF but the outer points are a bit of a weakness. How much of that is true?
What are other weaknesses that D750 has?

Just curious as I'm about 27days away from pulling the trigger so I'm just curious about these few things.

Please don't kill me, I know that I asked about D750 a lot but its the type of customer I am. Just want to know as much as I can before committing to something so expensive

I bet you wouldn't see any real world difference between them. The AF on the D750 works great. The D850 will be better, but not as good as the D950.

Time to jump on board.

 

[Freida]

I bet you wouldn't see any real world difference between them. The AF on the D750 works great. The D850 will be better, but not as good as the D950.

Time to jump on board.

Thats true, I wouldn't. Thats why I ask you guys to tell me
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So I only use the center point to focus-recompose... So outer points I could care less about...

Where you are, by the time the d750 is not good enough for you, the d790 mk V will be out.

Don't be tricked into "it has worse AF than the new one" that is relative terminology designed to slacken the purse strings. In absolute terms it is very very good.

After all a Porsche 911 is slower than a 911 GT3... Both are still massively quick and plenty fast for 95% of the population but on paper the GT3 is better and so saying the normal one is slower than the GT3, means sheeple want the GT3. They wouldn't sell as many if they said the base 911 is mindblowing and the GT3 is even better... Same here.

It will be a long time before you reach that single digit percent where the outer points matter to you.

Yeah, that is probably completely spot one. One question about the recompose.
I was told that if I am shooting portrait and I have (in this case) 50mm 1.4G lens and I use the recompose method then because i move the camera slightly then if the aperture is low (like 1.8 or so) then by recomposing it I'm making the picture blurred as that slight move changes the distance and therefore makes it not sharp. How correct is this statement? It always seemed to me that the difference in distance would be up to a 1cm or so which is still ok, no?

Opinions, please?

 

[simonsi]

Yeah, that is probably completely spot one. One question about the recompose.
I was told that if I am shooting portrait and I have (in this case) 50mm 1.4G lens and I use the recompose method then because i move the camera slightly then if the aperture is low (like 1.8 or so) then by recomposing it I'm making the picture blurred as that slight move changes the distance and therefore makes it not sharp. How correct is this statement?

Frankly that only makes a difference at REALLY close distances. The important distance to move is actually the Depth of Field, not the actual camera movement. In the real world at anything other than macro the depth of field is more than the tiny movement of the camera so it makes zero distance.

If you have a camera then you could have tried this yourself, it is a much better way to learn than just reading the internet and listening to a random selection of opinions you don't know whether or which to trust. Just try it, if you don't see a difference then there isn't one and concentrate on something else to improve your shots, its not like you are shooting film...

 

[kenoh]

Thats true, I wouldn't. Thats why I ask you guys to tell me
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Yeah, that is probably completely spot one. One question about the recompose.
I was told that if I am shooting portrait and I have (in this case) 50mm 1.4G lens and I use the recompose method then because i move the camera slightly then if the aperture is low (like 1.8 or so) then by recomposing it I'm making the picture blurred as that slight move changes the distance and therefore makes it not sharp. How correct is this statement? It always seemed to me that the difference in distance would be up to a 1cm or so which is still ok, no?

Opinions, please?

Mathematically yes you are right. In reality, load of BS. If your technique is well practiced you wont notice. Everything else in the some 14/15 step mental checklist prior to the shot will get in the way before this. Trust me you are over thinking this. Your body sways more holding your camera than the focal plane change in moving the camer a few mm to the left or right. However, remember just because the theoretical Nikon answer to world hunger may have "better outer points" the AF on the d750 is no slouch. It is not like it is rubbish so you can zone focus, manual focus, tracking focus if you want on portraits. I am not saying i am a benchmark of any kind. You know I am rotten at photography but look at my flickr feed. None of my shots are taken with anything other than central spot focus recompose or manual.


At the end of the day, you have a d90 right now. The d750 is LIGHTYEARS ahead of your 90. You will spend years exploring the capabilities of the d750.

 

[Apple fanboy]

Thats true, I wouldn't. Thats why I ask you guys to tell me
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Yeah, that is probably completely spot one. One question about the recompose.
I was told that if I am shooting portrait and I have (in this case) 50mm 1.4G lens and I use the recompose method then because i move the camera slightly then if the aperture is low (like 1.8 or so) then by recomposing it I'm making the picture blurred as that slight move changes the distance and therefore makes it not sharp. How correct is this statement? It always seemed to me that the difference in distance would be up to a 1cm or so which is still ok, no?

Opinions, please?

90% of my stuff is taken with single point focus and I use the alternative method to Ken. I just more the curser to where I need it. With 51 focus points I'm sure you'll be okay! Especially compared to your D90.
When I do need to shoot something moving the 3D tracking works great.

 

[kenoh]

90% of my stuff is taken with single point focus and I use the alternative method to Ken. I just more the curser to where I need it. With 51 focus points I'm sure you'll be okay! Especially compared to your D90.
When I do need to shoot something moving the 3D tracking works great.

Yep. My A7Rii hasnt got the wee nubbin like the a9 that moves the focus point easily. Mines a faff.....

 

[Apple fanboy]

Yep. My A7Rii hasnt got the wee nubbin like the a9 that moves the focus point easily. Mines a faff.....

One of the things I love about DSLR's. All the stuff you need is a physical button. No hunting through sub menus all the time.

 

[Freida]

Thank you guys for your input. Almost there I promise

 

[Apple fanboy]

Thank you guys for your input. Almost there I promise

Looking forward to seeing you use it!

 

[mofunk]

I recall shooting with the D300 and my D90 in low light at a concert. Well it was almost no light on stage. One of my buddies was shooting with his D300 and he was getting the shot. My D90 was not. The D90 had a time locking on the focus. So we switched lenses. Still the same problems. Then I was convinced that I needed more AF points or I guess better AF in low light.

Then D7000 came out but I wasn't ready to move cause it wasn't a huge jump. Then the D600 came out and now I really want to go full frame. So I did what you did Freida, I waited. Now, since the announcement of the D7500 I wonder what could Nikon do to improve the D750? What bells could it add? Higher ISO is a given but I rarely go beyond ISO6400. Or maybe they will add NFC? Bluetooth? But that's not a directly a feature that will effect the image. Maybe a faster shutter or flash? Or like the D7500 ...we will see better video?

The D750 really sits comfortably with the needed specs for a small body full frame camera. I love, again, that I don't have to do much editing. Even when I purposely chose some crazy settings, its still very minimal in editing.

FREIDA JUST DO IT lol

 

[Freida]

I recall shooting with the D300 and my D90 in low light at a concert. Well it was almost no light on stage. One of my buddies was shooting with his D300 and he was getting the shot. My D90 was not. The D90 had a time locking on the focus. So we switched lenses. Still the same problems. Then I was convinced that I needed more AF points or I guess better AF in low light.

Then D7000 came out but I wasn't ready to move cause it wasn't a huge jump. Then the D600 came out and now I really want to go full frame. So I did what you did Freida, I waited. Now, since the announcement of the D7500 I wonder what could Nikon do to improve the D750? What bells could it add? Higher ISO is a given but I rarely go beyond ISO6400. Or maybe they will add NFC? Bluetooth? But that's not a directly a feature that will effect the image. Maybe a faster shutter or flash? Or like the D7500 ...we will see better video?

The D750 really sits comfortably with the needed specs for a small body full frame camera. I love, again, that I don't have to do much editing. Even when I purposely chose some crazy settings, its still very minimal in editing.

FREIDA JUST DO IT lol

So you went from D90 straight to D750? How did it feel?
p.s.: I am doing it. Next month when my salary comes in. They are offering rebate so I'll give them D90 with kit lens for extra £150 so I think I should be able to get it for about £1300. I believe that is a good price and will keep me **** for next few years

 

[mofunk]

So you went from D90 straight to D750? How did it feel?
p.s.: I am doing it. Next month when my salary comes in. They are offering rebate so I'll give them D90 with kit lens for extra £150 so I think I should be able to get it for about £1300. I believe that is a good price and will keep me **** for next few years

Honestly I didn't think I would be excited but I was. Everything that I wanted the D90 to do was there on the D750. It really feels and performs great. I thought about this. The D750 is about twice the cost of the D90 and you truly get what you paid for. Fast focusing and just simple a beast in low light. If you get it for $1300 that would be a steal. Right now in the states the D750 body goes for a little under $1500 with a free battery grip

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https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1082599-REG/nikon_d750_dslr_camera_body.html

 

[Freida]

T-6

 

[Hughmac]

T-6

Does that mean you've bought one?

Cheers

Hugh

 

[kenoh]

T-6

?? What's a T-6? Not a canon?

Is that T minus 6 days???? If it is then woohoo!!!

 

[Freida]

Getting it next weekend if everything is ok.

I think you guys are right that even if the better one comes out in next 3-6 months it will most likely be way more expensive and probably not worth it for me. Meanwhile I will learn a ton so yeah, bring on next weekend.
I will probably come here more often for some tips (already have few questions in mind but wanna wait when I actually have it) so hope you will still have patience for me

 

[Apple fanboy]

Getting it next weekend if everything is ok.

I think you guys are right that even if the better one comes out in next 3-6 months it will most likely be way more expensive and probably not worth it for me. Meanwhile I will learn a ton so yeah, bring on next weekend.
I will probably come here more often for some tips (already have few questions in mind but wanna wait when I actually have it) so hope you will still have patience for me

Not a problem. Quite a few D750 users on here so you should be good to go.

 

[JDDavis]

Freida, I went from the D90 to the D750 maybe over a year ago now and I can't be happier about it. The D90 is/was no slouch. I still used it from time to time. The first time you start shooting with the D750 it's not going to feel "light years ahead" but give it some time. What's happening is you won't be ready to make full use of it till you discover everything it does better with than the D90. The first thing will be low light. This is where the D90 really struggled in my opinion. The ISO capability of the D750 opens up whole new possibilities from what the D90 was capable of. The next thing that struck me was the difference in ability to crop from DX to FF. Don't miss the fact that you can crop the same D750 image up to 50% and still be at D90 image size. If you are used to D90 images like I was it's like having a cheater zoom.

No matter what you do, just get out and enjoy it. My wife is learning photography now on the ol' D90.

 

[mofunk]

Totally agree with JJDavis!

When I got my D90 I still saw people using a D200. And years later I've met people still using a D200 or D700. I'm hoping that my D750 will be with me for a long time. So if you divide the cost of your D750 by the years you've owned it, its basically one of the best deals you will make in photography. The price for a body is $500 cheaper than it was released. That $500 could get you 1-2 lenses. Or a flash and a lens.

This month I had a photo shoot. When I got to the location I realized that I had forgotten my SB flash. So I had to think about how to shoot from a low lit room to and well lit room. I could use auto ISO or just find a medium point for my ISO and just editing them when I get home. I did a little bit of both. Oh and a few shots my lens was in the way But everything turned out great. I'm pretty sure my D90 would have done great but with the D750 I have more options.

 

[Freida]

Thank you guys, I appreciate all the feedback and suggestions + personal experience.

To me D90 worked great except few things:
a) low light - i lost ability to take pictures when my friend with D800 kept shooting.
b) focus - although this one is a bit mixed because I was told by guys here that my combo of D90 + 50mm 1.4G Nikon lens is not ideal and suffers from blurred images issues, but still - AF on D90 is good (except with the 50mm lens as that ruined my experience when I was at a photography workshop and almost half images were blurred despite me having the correct focusing point etc.) but I feel that the ability of D750 to recognise face and focus on eyes will be a major game changer for me.

I'm thinking of finally testing properly home "studio" portrait shooting so was hoping to get some suggestion for equipment.
I think I need the umbrella (softbox they call them I guess) + stand for it + trigger cable (I think its cheap compared to radio ones and more solid, right?).

I have SB700 already as I used that for a wedding few years back.

Eventually I'm waiting out to see what the Sigma art 24-70 turns out to be as I might consider getting it.

Also, should I keep the 50mm 1.4 G lens or get the 1.8 as people say its much better and sharper?
Or maybe 85mm 1.8G for portrait?

For now I think I'll play with the 50mm but wonder what are the options etc.

Thank you and see you guys soon around here

 

[JDDavis]

I have the 50 1.8 and it focuses well on the D90 and D750. It is very sharp, especially in good natural light. It's a forgiving lens but I find the bokeh a little harsh and 85mm or longer would be better for portraits. DOF is still pretty big even at 1.8 and 50mm depending on focal distance.

If you really want to feel more confident with understanding focus go pick up a Nikon 50mm 1.8 E series manual focus. It works beautifully on a D750 and is dirt cheap and super sharp and weighs next to nothing. You'll learn a whole lot about how everything effects focus on how AF is working so hard to guess what you're trying to focus on. My other favorite manual focus cheapo E lens is the 75-150.

 

[Freida]

I have the 50 1.8 and it focuses well on the D90 and D750. It is very sharp, especially in good natural light. It's a forgiving lens but I find the bokeh a little harsh and 85mm or longer would be better for portraits. DOF is still pretty big even at 1.8 and 50mm depending on focal distance.

If you really want to feel more confident with understanding focus go pick up a Nikon 50mm 1.8 E series manual focus. It works beautifully on a D750 and is dirt cheap and super sharp and weighs next to nothing. You'll learn a whole lot about how everything effects focus on how AF is working so hard to guess what you're trying to focus on. My other favorite manual focus cheapo E lens is the 75-150.

In manual focus you mean me manually rotating those circles on the camera to get focus? If thats what you mean that I will skip on that as I don't think that is an efficient thing to do. By the time I focus what I want to focus the moment is pretty much gone. I guess for landscape its probably awesome but anything with people will be major headache for me.

Yeah, I've heard that the 1.8 is superior to the 1.4 one so I'm sure you love it. If I did my research correctly before than I guess I would never get the 1.4 one. Well, lesson learnt! Now I'm extra careful

As for bokeh, can one not tweak it in post? I mean that if the main subject is nice then the bokeh can be tweaked so not that much of a problem, maybe?

Yeah, I'm debating the 85mm 1.8 lens for the portraits as its not that expensive (compared to the 85mm 1.4) and might produce better results due to being more suitable for portraits, no?

Still not sure as when i was at the workshop I was shooting 50mm od D90 whereas the photographer was using D800 + 85mm 1.4G so even though mine was kinda like 75mm (due to being DX) I still haven't noticed massive difference (except his were super sharp whereas mine was mix&match due to the issue. (Although I did get some really nice pictures)

Oh, the dilemmas

 

[Apple fanboy]

In manual focus you mean me manually rotating those circles on the camera to get focus? If thats what you mean that I will skip on that as I don't think that is an efficient thing to do. By the time I focus what I want to focus the moment is pretty much gone. I guess for landscape its probably awesome but anything with people will be major headache for me.

Yeah, I've heard that the 1.8 is superior to the 1.4 one so I'm sure you love it. If I did my research correctly before than I guess I would never get the 1.4 one. Well, lesson learnt! Now I'm extra careful

As for bokeh, can one not tweak it in post? I mean that if the main subject is nice then the bokeh can be tweaked so not that much of a problem, maybe?

Yeah, I'm debating the 85mm 1.8 lens for the portraits as its not that expensive (compared to the 85mm 1.4) and might produce better results due to being more suitable for portraits, no?

Still not sure as when i was at the workshop I was shooting 50mm od D90 whereas the photographer was using D800 + 85mm 1.4G so even though mine was kinda like 75mm (due to being DX) I still haven't noticed massive difference (except his were super sharp whereas mine was mix&match due to the issue. (Although I did get some really nice pictures)

Oh, the dilemmas

50mm 1.8 works fine on the D750.
I literally bought mine as all my other glass is heavy and I was traveling to Amsterdam for work.
Bokah is a subjective thing. Some like one look, some another.