i bought a ibook G4 in april last year, boy did i get screwed because all the game developers are returning to the mac, but are too lazy to code for PPC, i am so irate by this i might actually buy a windows system again, because when ever i try something new i get screw over, and starcraft II wont run on my mac ether cause of intel, and now I'm being treated like a have a five year old machine because of the stupid IBM chip in my computer, We are not second class computer users developers, just remember that.... (sorry for the rant but this is ridiculous)
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i feel cheated...
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1. G4 is a motorola processor not IBM
2. they were selling macbooks in april of last year, weren't they?
3. the reason most games are going to be Intel only is due to the coding.
4. Blizzard is pretty good about running stuff on older hardware, no minimums have been released for SC2
1. so my processor is even crapper than i though before
2. no they came out on may 16 2006, i got my ibook on april 28
3.laziness
4. blizzard guy on the forums said the G5 was even questionable.
Additionally, even if they were coding for your G4, performance would be sloppy at best. If your a gamer, why would you buy a computer that wasn't designed to play games on it in the first place... same thing goes for potential MacBook owners these days.
I'm sorry you feel cheated, but last year the switch was inevitable, everyone knew that the better performance would come from the newer Intel machines...
Interpret it as laziness if you want, but even if they did code for it, the quality would be abysmal. If you really like your games, I don't see why you'd want to play it on the lowest resolution, lowest settings, and at a few FPS...
If your threat about going back to windows is serious, then a mac was never for you. If however you like the mac OS, you have found new productivity through it's use and have made new friends, then you wont want to ditch it for windows, unless your goal in life isn't to succeed in the things you do.
No one here is going to say, "stop, please don't go back to windows". That'd be your choice, if you really feel that not being able to play a game on a computer you bought during a transition to better hardware is the end of the world.
I'm sorry you feel cheated, but last year the switch was inevitable, everyone knew that the better performance would come from the newer Intel machines...
Interpret it as laziness if you want, but even if they did code for it, the quality would be abysmal. If you really like your games, I don't see why you'd want to play it on the lowest resolution, lowest settings, and at a few FPS...
If your threat about going back to windows is serious, then a mac was never for you. If however you like the mac OS, you have found new productivity through it's use and have made new friends, then you wont want to ditch it for windows, unless your goal in life isn't to succeed in the things you do.
No one here is going to say, "stop, please don't go back to windows". That'd be your choice, if you really feel that not being able to play a game on a computer you bought during a transition to better hardware is the end of the world.
1. i have a four year old G4 that performs like a champ, can even push WoW through on occasion, and its under their min. specs too. (867MHz)
2. okay, point taken, but its not like the intel transition wasn't imminent.
3. no. games are very specific in their coding, its not as simple as making it a universal binary. there is no reason to make another version of the game for older hardware that has an even more limited market than the Mac Intel platform.
4. from a blizzard guy on the forums. okay. sure. its not an official statement, thats what i'll believe.
1) Nope..in fact its the exact same!!! I mean I guess you could argue that it was better because Freescale could make it cool enough to get into laptops...but then again IBM didn't try very hard.
2) bummer...but how much gaming did you plan to get out of you iBook G4? It was never super power to start with.
3) Yes...but think of it this way. If Apple had never went to Intel, we wouldn't be getting these new games, so your not losing out on much.
4) Well since Blizzard hasn't said anything let, we simply don't know. I do know that SC2 is coming in 2008(at best, if I recall) so if you can't play SC2, its because you have a 2 year old laptop, which was never really meant to play games.
As for buying a Wintel, thats ok. But if its only about not being able to play new games, Apple not leaving Intel anytime soon, so the thing your running from isn't an issue on Mac anymore. Also I never would have bought a iBook, with plans for gaming. But that just me...with the whole looking at specs before I buy a computer!
i didn't exactly buy the ibook for gaming, (i have a 360, Wii, and PS3) but it be nice to play the real battlefield series and some other games on the road, and i just would like it if developers didn't use this "transition" as a excuse, OS X is still OS X no matter the engine. and they have all the tools they need to make a universal binary if they took the time. and at least 50% are still PPC
No body is disputing that they could make it PPC... the question is how usable it would be on PPC, and the answer is "not very".
Taking your stance, I bought a PS2 yesterday, sure they are selling PS3's, but I wanted a PS2, now I find out I can't play the latest PS3 games on it. Unbelievable, I reckon they could easily port it over, sure it wouldn't have the cutting edge graphics, or be very playable, or look good on my HDTV, or this, or that, but it's so unfair and I want it now.
Do you see where I am going with this ?
They could do it...but its more work then they want to put in. If they wanted these games on the Mac, they would have on PPC for a while. But now they see a growing market share, and easy way to get games on their, and they start it up.
But I do see the point, there is a limited number of PPC to start with, and the number is only getting smaller. Plus how many of those PPC Mac will the have specs to power games the way the devs want. Doesn't leave room for a huge market. Effort isn't worth the reward
C'mon, everyone knew the iBooks weren't very good for gaming. I mean, most of the hardware in the iBook is almost 4 or 5 years old. Add to that the difficulty of porting a game to the ppc platform, and they have no chance at making any of the new games run decently anyway.
comparing the ps2 to the ps3 is a way overblown comparison to PPC gaming, and if PPC games arent worth the effort and most devs already work with PPC because it power all 3 systems now, even the gamecube had a PPC and its graphics were very good for its specs
Your correct, I did go over the top comparing the PS2 to the PS3, for a reason, you weren't listening to anything else. But it illustrates the point.
As for all the games consoles now using PPC (except the cell), those PPC chips are all a lot faster than your G4. A LOT FASTER. I'd of thought even you could see that, but don't worry, it's all good.
The very bottom line is that game developers aren't going to develop for the PPC mac anymore, even though some G5 machines may be a little more capable than others.
In relation to this thread, the iBook G4 was never meant as a hardcore gaming machine. Even if the iBook had been released today, and the PPC was supported, you wouldn't be buying it for use as a gaming machine. You have said you didn't, so leave it at that, don't then further complain about it when it needs no more explanation.
i dont want to get in a geek war, but i know the difference between a triple core 3.2ghz xbox 360 cpu and my lowly 1.3 g4 but what im saying is that they are both still ppc chips
I don't even want to guess what a geek war encompasses.
Yes they're both PPC, but the difference is quite alarming between a triple-core 3.2GHz and a single-core 1.3GHz, right
Stuff coded for a t-c 3.2GHz probably wont play very well at all on the s-c 1.3GHz, and stuff coded for both, will probably play pretty poorly on the t-c 3.2GHz as it's not optimized for just the one.
I don't even want to guess what a geek war encompasses.
Yes they're both PPC, but the difference is quite alarming between a triple-core 3.2GHz and a single-core 1.3GHz, right
Stuff coded for a t-c 3.2GHz probably wont play very well at all on the s-c 1.3GHz, and stuff coded for both, will probably play pretty poorly on the t-c 3.2GHz as it's not optimized for just the one.
im not asking for gears of war, or Halo 3, thats what i have a 360 for. and a geek war consist of 2 or more nerds throwing outdated microprocessors at each other
I would understand if the OP bought a PowerBook G4 or a PowerMac G5 and felt cheated that gaming companies are probably not going to develop for PowerPC anymore. However no one in their right mind would expect to play a game decently on an iBook with a 32MB graphics card and a max of a 1.42GHz processor.
This is true even for a Windows Machine. Sure I can play a game like Empire Earth or Age of Empires on a Windows machine with a 64MB graphics card and a 1.6GHz processor. But it runs like garbage. The iBook is primarily (in my opinion) designed for the student who takes their computer to class, takes notes and surfs the Internet. Nothing more.
This is true even for a Windows Machine. Sure I can play a game like Empire Earth or Age of Empires on a Windows machine with a 64MB graphics card and a 1.6GHz processor. But it runs like garbage. The iBook is primarily (in my opinion) designed for the student who takes their computer to class, takes notes and surfs the Internet. Nothing more.
you people act like its a hunk of ****, i have a 1.5 GB of ram and as i recall the gpu can barrow memory from the ram, at least i have a real gpu unlike some new macs, but whatever you people take this way to seriously i am just sad the ppc is dead
The iBook has a dedicated GPU therefore it cannot use your system RAM. Even if it could, you're running a 142MHz system bus (not DDR'd, even) so it'd be pretty freaking slow...
I too am sorry the PPC is dead, but I do have to fault you for buying your iBook. I bought the last revision iBook as well, but I did so full knowing that the reason I was buying it was because I wasn't going to play games anymore... In the PPC days, none of their laptops were reasonable purchases for many PRESENT games, much less future games - unless you bought a 15" PB or above w/ that mobile 9700. And even that was a stretch...
On a somewhat similar note, I'll be building a PC strictly for SC2 once it comes out...
So?
Wrong...not that it would make it any better if it could....
True, although it's not massively better than the GMA 950, just somewhat better.
Hey, I've got a dual 2.5Ghz G5 + X800...I have a legitimate complaint about the increasing number of Intel-only games...you got nothin'.
--Eric
Pentium 1 and Pentium D are both Pentium chips.
Of course, Pentium 1 is 133 MHz and Pentium D is dual-core 3.8 GHz
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Hey, I've got a dual 2.5Ghz G5 + X800...I have a legitimate complaint about the increasing number of Intel-only games...you got nothin'.
--Eric
Yeah, true.
*hugs MacBook*
