I knew it - App scrolling performance has increased with iOS 10.

[crashoverride77]

I recently installed the iOS 10 beta (iPad Air 2) and was pleasantly surprised that I had no visually dropped frames when scrolling through big collection apps like the videos/music or photos app.

Usually when I would open the such an app it would drop frames for the first 1-2 seconds while scrolling, now it is instantly smooth.

Anyone else noticed this?. This seems like a big one, especially because developers will not have to do anything, its all on Apples backend.

http://thenextweb.com/apple/2016/06/16/ios-10-apps-fast-af/

 

[iTom17]

That seems pretty interesting, actually. They kinda promised something like that with iOS 9, by using Metal for their apps. And while it did improve scrolling performance a bit, you would often still notice frame drops. Great to see that they're fixing that with iOS 10!

 

[crashoverride77]

That seems pretty interesting, actually. They kinda promised something like that with iOS 9, by using Metal for their apps. And while it did improve scrolling performance a bit, you would often still notice frame drops. Great to see that they're fixing that with iOS 10!

Yeah, I can really tell the difference, at least in the video and music app, it feels great. They should have done this last year or the year before.

 

[clukas]

Hopefully this is a good sign of strong iOS 10 performance all around. It would be nice to get an efficiently performing iOS version without the slowdown of previous upgrades.

 

[crashoverride77]

Hopefully this is a good sign of strong iOS 10 performance all around. It would be nice to get an efficiently performing iOS version without the slowdown of previous upgrades.

Yeah, I mean iOS 10 still does the ocassioanl stutter thing when navigation around the os, although it doesn't seem to be worse with the beta than with iOS 9, so thats a good sign.

However I instantly noticed the much better scrolling in my apps, no lag, super smooth immediately.

 

[iTom17]

Hopefully this is a good sign of strong iOS 10 performance all around. It would be nice to get an efficiently performing iOS version without the slowdown of previous upgrades.

Yes, agree. Especially with older devices. I may have the latest iPhone, but I hate it when I hear about the performance issues on older devices.

Based on the videos shown on YouTube it looks promising for the iPhone 5s and onwards, but not so for the iPhone 5/5c. Of course it's still a beta, so let's at least wait before judging. Do hope it will get much better, at least at the same level it was with iOS 9.

 

[crashoverride77]

Yes, agree. Especially with older devices. I may have the latest iPhone, but I hate it when I hear about the performance issues on older devices.

Based on the videos shown on YouTube it looks promising for the iPhone 5s and onwards, but not so for the iPhone 5/5c. Of course it's still a beta, so let's at least wait before judging. Do hope it will get much better, at least at the same level it was with iOS 9.

Agreed, hate the performance stuff as well.
I will be honest I cannot really tell much of a difference between iOS 9 and 10 in regards to speed or stutter (iPad Air 2). Seems to be the same for me which is hopefully a good indication for the final release.

I distinctly remember that although iOS 9 was much better than 8 at release it had some serious performance issues for the first few releases (especially the famous 20fps when entering an app from multitasking).

To me iOS 10 is looking good so far, and I cannot imagine that they will mess it up in the next months before release. Beta 1 is running pretty well already IMO.

 

[iTom17]

Agreed, hate the performance stuff as well.
I will be honest I cannot really tell much of a difference between iOS 9 and 10 in regards to speed or stutter (iPad Air 2). Seems to be the same for me which is hopefully a good indication for the final release.

I distinctly remember that although iOS 9 was much better than 8 at release it had some serious performance issues for the first few releases (especially the famous 20fps when entering an app from multitasking).

To me iOS 10 is looking good so far, and I cannot imagine that they will mess it up in the next months before release. Beta 1 is running pretty well already IMO.

Oh boy, do I remember that..

If you'd consider that when comparing to iOS 10, it actually runs very well for a first beta. Hopefully Apple will improve it further, so that it will be like iOS 9.3 and not iOS 9.0.

 

[crashoverride77]

Oh boy, do I remember that..

If you'd consider that when comparing to iOS 10, it actually runs very well for a first beta. Hopefully Apple will improve it further, so that it will be like iOS 9.3 and not iOS 9.0.

100% agreed, it is really looking promising so far and they would seriously need to mess stuff up to make it worse than 9.0.

They even fixed my music issues where some of my purchased albums would not show in the album category, they would only show in the artists category or recently added. Now with the new music app it is back to how it used to be before apple music came along.

I also hope they fixed iCloud Keychain, because that has been my biggest headache over the last 1.5 years because along the lines of iOS 8 they seriously messed it up.
No syncing, cannot turn if off without settings freezing, cannot turn it on without the loading logo of death, does not receive the approval message, does not recognise the security code or now it doesn't even recognise that its already turned on therefore it asks me to set it up as new.
My hope is that due to the new smart home app they fixed it, because the home app requires keychain to function.
I do not know what they did with keychain, it used to work so well when it was first released but now its a full on mess.

 

[GreyOS]

I'm assuming there's a trade off here. I mean the fact it hasn't always just loaded the whole screen into memory is an indication the method of loading on demand has some benefits - saving memory. So the balance between speed and memory footprint is obviously something they've readdressed.

I wonder if the balance is different for 1gb devices vs 2gb, and I wonder whether we will notice more apps/tabs kicked out of memory as a result of this.

 

[ohms12]

Good to know, thanks for sharing!

I've refrained from installing on my iPad Air 2 so far (installed on my iPhone 6s) - how are you finding it otherwise? Stable? Battery fairly stable?

 

[DoctorKrabs]

I think they got serious with iOS 10 after all the issues during iOS 9. Remember how the 6S Plus couldn't even handle the old 3D Touch shortcuts at 60 FPS? Not they are a solid 60 and they load entire widgets along with the shortcuts.

 

[MikeyMike01]

But... But... Muh planned obsolescence?!

 

[SMIDG3T]

I often forget I'm running a beta, it's been so good to me so far. Things can only get better. iOS 10 is looking to be a great release.

 

[ajiuo]

iOS 10 performs very poorly on my device... I get lots of frame drops and glitchy graphics. Music also skips a ton. Many app crashes as well... I know it's a beta, so I'm not mad.... Industries don't know what you guys are talking about...

But still iOS 10 is amazing compared to tvOS 10.

 

[Michael Goff]

But... But... Muh planned obsolescence?!

But did you see the one dropped frame in CC?

 

[C DM]

But did you see the one dropped frame in CC?

Well, that's that, iOS 10 is the most horrific iOS release ever and no one should install it as their devices will simply become unusable.

 

[GreyOS]

But... But... Muh planned obsolescence?!

To play devil's advocate... as I said earlier, there must be a trade off for this speed bump- namely increased memory usage. Therefore, Apple are intentionally making 1GB devices obsolete

 

[crashoverride77]

I'm assuming there's a trade off here. I mean the fact it hasn't always just loaded the whole screen into memory is an indication the method of loading on demand has some benefits - saving memory. So the balance between speed and memory footprint is obviously something they've readdressed.

I wonder if the balance is different for 1gb devices vs 2gb, and I wonder whether we will notice more apps/tabs kicked out of memory as a result of this.

Good question, curious about this as well. The way the article explains it i don't think it should be to bad.

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Good to know, thanks for sharing!

I've refrained from installing on my iPad Air 2 so far (installed on my iPhone 6s) - how are you finding it otherwise? Stable? Battery fairly stable?

The beta so far is very good IMO. Performance seems to be like iOS 9, haven't noticed much of a difference, maybe a few stutters more here and there but nothing compared to the iOS 9 issues (20fps multitasking)

Battery seems to be also alrite, haven't noticed much of a difference yet on my iPad. Bear in mind I don't use my iPad as much as my iPhone so results may be different.

In regard to stability I haven't had a respring or any freezes. The only issues I found so far is that the new music app is a bit unstable, seems to crash sometimes when changing library (e.g show artists instead of Albums). Also safari sometimes doesn't load a page properly but nothing serious. Even all the apps I use seem to work fine.
Overall I am very pleased.
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iOS 10 performs very poorly on my device... I get lots of frame drops and glitchy graphics. Music also skips a ton. Many app crashes as well... I know it's a beta, so I'm not mad.... Industries don't know what you guys are talking about...

But still iOS 10 is amazing compared to tvOS 10.

Strange, mine is running really well, almost as well as iOS 9. Believe me I am so anal about this stuff thats why I made this thread initially, especially after I noticed the instantly smooth scrolling.
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I think they got serious with iOS 10 after all the issues during iOS 9. Remember how the 6S Plus couldn't even handle the old 3D Touch shortcuts at 60 FPS? Not they are a solid 60 and they load entire widgets along with the shortcuts.

Yeah, lets hope so.
iOS 8 was much worse for me than 9 ever was but still 9 had some performance issues for all the betas and even the first few final releases.

I haven't noticed anything like this yet with iOS 10.

Are you saying that they also fixed the landscape 3d touch slowness in landscape on a 6Plus? (I don't have an iPhone 6s)

 

[crashoverride77]

Incase people still reading this, app scrolling performance is still amazing, hehe.

However I have noticed a few more bugs now with my iPad Air 2, Safari and the Music app mainly. I also did have 2 resprigns, one when opening the Pintrest app and one when using the new interactive notifications, or whatever its called, to reply to an iMessage.

Its still a very good beta, probably best in ages, mainly due to no noticeable performance drops like 7,8 or 9 had.

 

[LordQ]

Hopefully this performance boost sticks to the final release!

 

[XTheLancerX]

iPad mini 2 is kinda horrific in spots with iOS 10 where it was previously fine on iOS 9. Scrolling in photos or really doing anything in photos is terrible. Going to the home screen from the app switcher is terrible. Swiping over to widgets view on the lock screen is very stuttery and Notification Center stutters terribly if many notifications are present (because of all he extra blurring with the new bubbly notification UI). Going into or out of apps sometimes jutters and skips HORRIBLY with the new animation, especially when you're in a folder. It's a beta, after all... I just hope it gets fixed. One thing that did improve is a weird one though... Rotating the slide to power off screen. I honestly could not care less about this but I distinctly remember this lagging really bad even on iOS 7.1 when this fully blurred power down screen was introduced.

This iPad needs translucency disabled like the iPad 2/3... The GPU still just is not good enough for it. Only the iPad Air 2 and up is good enough for the blurring effects imo.

 

[lagwagon]

iPad mini 2 is kinda horrific in spots with iOS 10 where it was previously fine on iOS 9. Scrolling in photos or really doing anything in photos is terrible. Going to the home screen from the app switcher is terrible. Swiping over to widgets view on the lock screen is very stuttery and Notification Center stutters terribly if many notifications are present (because of all he extra blurring with the new bubbly notification UI). Going into or out of apps sometimes jutters and skips HORRIBLY with the new animation, especially when you're in a folder. It's a beta, after all... I just hope it gets fixed. One thing that did improve is a weird one though... Rotating the slide to power off screen. I honestly could not care less about this but I distinctly remember this lagging really bad even on iOS 7.1 when this fully blurred power down screen was introduced.

This iPad needs translucency disabled like the iPad 2/3... The GPU still just is not good enough for it. Only the iPad Air 2 and up is good enough for the blurring effects imo.

You can and have been able to for a long time pretty much disable translucency. It's Reduce Transparency in the Increase Contrast settings in Accessibility settings.

 

[GreyOS]

You can and have been able to for a long time pretty much disable translucency. It's Reduce Transparency in the Increase Contrast settings in Accessibility settings.

Yes but the comment is it didn't need it before now it does

 

[lagwagon]

Yes but the comment is it didn't need it before now it does

He said it needs translucency disabled. It can be done per the users request via the settings.

I agree with everything he said that the iPad 4 is super choppy in beta 1. I too have an iPad 4 with iOS 10 installed. But some of that choppiness is beta 1 some of that is hardware and some of that is the iPad 4 is the bottom of the barrel of supported devices (and we all know what that usually means.)

I would expect the iPad 4 to be no less than iOS 9.3.3 speed wise (not all that great but at least better than beta 1 of iOS 10) once iOS 10 is in developer beta 7 or 8. And if not. Well there is the Reduce Transparency option that helps quite a bit.