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SW3029

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Why is this "shameful"? The whole point of an icon is to be distinctive, and I can't be the only person that now has to "hunt and peck" when the majority of the icons on the system are now the same shape.
If that's the case, how on earth have you ever used an iPhone?
 

flowrider

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^^^^I don't use an iPhone 1387914497.gif

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jz0309

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With the exception of Zoom, I don’t use any of these… so I don’t really care. Besides, icons are that important?
 
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Rocketpilot

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Oh boy, yeah this is a bad thread topic. iOS actually is harder to use than it might otherwise be because all the app icons have identical silhouettes. Most people find object differentiation by colour to be much less cognitively efficient than by shape. This insistence on clone-like conformity is definitely damaging the usability of all of Apple's platforms.
 

ErikGrim

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With the exception of Zoom, I don’t use any of these… so I don’t really care. Besides, icons are that important?
Would be nice to have some uniformity to the dock, yes

For me:
f5 (VPN)
WorkSpaces
Zeplin
CloudBounce
Steam
XCOM 2: WoTC, CIV VI (games are very unlikely to conform although CIV VI really ought to as it'd improve readability)
Transmission
Docker
 
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ErikGrim

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Oh boy, yeah this is a bad thread topic. iOS actually is harder to use than it might otherwise be because all the app icons have identical silhouettes. Most people find object differentiation by colour to be much less cognitively efficient than by shape. This insistence on clone-like conformity is definitely damaging the usability of all of Apple's platforms.
Just because they have a uniform background doesn't make the icons themselves lose their distinctive silhouette
 
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ErikGrim

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The wonderful thing about the Internet is that sometimes you end up debating someone who doesn't know how shapes work. Yes, they literally absolutely do lose their distinctive silhouette because the background is the silhouette.
No, the shape of the icon ON the background is a silhouette. It doesn't matter that it's an individual background or just straight on the dock. I have designed more than a few icons in my time, so I know how shapes work.
 
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Rocketpilot

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No, the shape of the icon ON the background is a silhouette. It doesn't matter that it's an individual background or just straight on the dock. I have designed more than a few icons in my time, so I know how shapes work.
You might have a point on a dock with about 4-5 icons, as the shapes inside the roundrect would read somewhat more clearly, but that's simply not how most user have things arranged. The icons will much smaller, more numerous, and the internal silhouette will be less coherent. The brain has to do more active cognitive processing to look inside the icon to distinguish it from its peers.

Look, even Apple at heart knows this because status badges violate the perimeter of the icon, so that you can more readily perceive them by both colour and silhouette.
 
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GSWForever8

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macOS app icons that still aren't in line with Big Sur/ Monterey design by size or shape. I'll start:

Carrot Weather
Zoom
Amazon Music
Skype
Shazam (looking at YOU, Apple)
WhatsApp
Gemini 2
Daisy Disk
Firefox
You forgot Spotify.
 
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allan.nyholm

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@SW3029 - I don't know if you have method of changing these icons on your Mac? (SIP off and/or any program to change icons with SIP on)
octaviotti on deviantart has a large very good collection of icons where I think you can find icons for some of the programs you mentioned.
octaviotti on deviantart - Tile Icons

I also recognize that the companies behind these apps should or could update their icons for Big Sur and beyond. I however don't like their approach to users on non-Big Sur are automatically getting the Big Sur icon remake for Google Chrome on e.g Catalina or Mojave. Then the opposite happens, where the icon looks totally out of place.

Mozilla is weird like this, but there's luckily icon creators like the one I linked to, that does good remakes of the Firefox icon for Big Sur.
 

ignatius345

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Allow me to demonstrate what shapes look like:

View attachment 1813742
The fact that you had to boost the contrast within each icon here kind of argues against you. The underlying shape of each one is still a rounded rectangle. Some have good, legible contrast within that, some don't. You made a row of perfect-contast versions of each one to illustrate your point, but they don't all have that much contrast. And yeah, we still have color to differentiate but if we're arguing about variably outlined icons versus "tiles", the tiles all mush into visual sameness a lot more easily than icons whose outlines are different.

I don't happen to think this is a huge issue on MacOS, as there are many other ways to launch and interact with apps than hunting down, recognizing and clicking on their icons (app launchers like Alfred or Spotlight or Launchpad, for instance -- all of which rely more on typing the name of the app). It's sort of boring, though, and I definitely would disagree with "shaming" an app that doesn't use a tile icon.
 
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Feyl

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After they update their icons it will probably mean that the icon will be the same thing but in a white square. So, I'm ok with custom shapes because it means better design. The great example is Skype. If you look at the iOS icon it will mean for sure just an old icon that's put in a white square. That's something that makes me angry since they started with the flat boring shenanigans.
 

usagora

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Why is this "shameful"? The whole point of an icon is to be distinctive, and I can't be the only person that now has to "hunt and peck" when the majority of the icons on the system are now the same shape.

Other options are to simply CMD+Space to search for the app or ask Siri to open it. Or click on the applications "stack" in the dock and start typing the name of the app you want.
 

Shirasaki

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Rather, I like distinguishable icons that I can spot in a second. Microsoft Office suite goes that route in macOS rather than going for rounded icons (earlier version. Not the latest) gives me easier time to know which one is word, excel and so on.
iOS unified round rectangle icon causes me to frequently pause a few seconds trying to see which icon is which before tapping. And I’m not going to be alone to have difficulty picking app icons. Searching has become tougher because of changes on iPadOS that makes spotlight harder to call out without keyboard.
 
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Rocketpilot

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Do you not know what a silhouette is?
LOL I just realised that you're trying to use the term in the sense of 18th century portraiture, but even then not all silhouettes were defined by the subject matter bound by a tight rectangular or oval perimeter. Maybe you're thinking of cameo brooches?

It still would be a godawful defence because that kind of subject matter is meant to be observed and appreciated closely, not used to choose from a large range of options.
 

ignatius345

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You didn't follow the thread did you?
Sorry, man. It really sounds like you're mostly just here to stir up **** instead of having any kind of reasonable discussion. I've got better things to do than trade lame little snipes. Good luck to you.
 
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