Why do some people think more types ports are bad?
Simply: because while it is more
types it's almost certainly at the expense of port
count of the type we do/can use.
It increases functionality
There's nothing you can do
functionally with a HDMI port that you can't do with a USB-C port.
The list of things you can do with a USB-C port that you can't do with a HDMI port is basically everything you can do with any port, minus "connect a HDMI device".
Yes, I know that people have various needs but lets be real Apple will still include 3 USB-C ports for your dongle needs. It's not like they are getting rid of ALL the USB-C ports.
Funny. When the first rumours of HDMI ports returning circulated the line was "why would they remove USB-C ports, they'll just add HDMI". We've seen on the iMac that Apple isn't afraid to mix USB-C and Thunderbolt ports on a single computer.
There is zero reason to assume the three USB-C shaped cutouts seen elsewhere are all Thunderbolt 3/USB4.
DID you guys know the Mac Pro has 2 USB-A ports? oh the horror.
Yeah it also has four TB3 ports on the base model more on those with higher end GPUs, and the HDMI ports on the GPUs don't prevent use of TB3 ports. What's your point?
Most people use HDMI and SD card.
That's a very big claim, particularly about SD cards.
So, back it up, or confirm that you're just guessing, please.
HDMI 2.1 over USB-C dongle “works” but loses 8gbps of bandwidth.
Please stop repeating this. I've responded to your "misunderstanding" numerous times now (is this # 4? I'm losing count). 40Gbps is the negotiated maximum speed of Thunderbolt 3, USB4 and Thunderbolt 4. It's not an inherent speed limit of a USB Type-C port.
We know this, because DisplayPort 2.0 supports 80Gbps, over USB-C ports/cables.
If you want to continue to claim you're correct: please cite some sources showing that a USB-C connector/port/cable is inherently limited to 40Gbps.
Most people never use all four of their USB-C ports at once.
So, your argument is that Apple should cater to a
minor convenience for some people who use HDMI specifically, and say "**** most people don't use all four ports at once" to the niche of high end users who
do actually use all four ports?
Normally, when most people say "Apple is giving up on Pros" they don't mean it as a positive thing because they're getting a single use port back
when they do, they are using one of those for power, anyway
Wow you really do like making absolute statements without any evidence at all, don't you?
It's fine to you. It's not fine to others. Or do other's opinions not matter to you?
As we saw with first gen M chips, they can't handle multiple displays over USB-C. They needed HDMI for second display with minis. My guess is that interim they will put HDMI slot for 2nd display with Macbooks, and in a couple of years when new chips can support 2 or more displays over usb-c they'll take it back. I highly doubt Apple brought back HDMI for convenience of users. SD Card is a bonus though.
No. That is not the case.
The limit on external displays on M1 Macs, is two different issues:
a) they only support two display streams total. This is the same across all M1s: the iMacs and Macbook lines have a built in and support one externally. The mini supports one HDMI and one via USB-C.
b) one of the mini's display streams is hard-wired to the HDMI port. This is not different to the Intel mini before it. The reasons for this are debatable from technological to idealogical to financial, but either way it's not related to what you claimed.
If they do add MagSafe again, I agree losing one thunderbolt port is fine at that point since you’ll still have 3 ports available.
And for those who are using four devices, with one of them providing pass-through power?
When someone is frustrated because they showed up for a meeting with a MBP and then realised they left their adaptor at home, it's totally understandable.
This is very true. I completely understand that it's annoying to leave things behind. But I also have to ask: if a person leaves a HDMI adapter behind so often, do they also leave a charger behind too? I've left all kinds of stuff behind when I did on-site support work (
many years ago) only to get a parcel turn up a few days later in the internal mail from that office. Not once did I think "well **** the obvious solution here is to have <x> attached to the computer at all times so I can't forget it".
To me, doing away with every other port, from MagSafe to the sd-card slot to even USB-A, spoke of a vision.
To
me it's not even about vision vs pragmatism. If they just
added HDMI without stealing a dedicated display stream like it is on the mini (i.e. if the total number of displays supported could be used via USB-C ports in some manner) and without removing a TB3/USB4 port - I wouldn't care. I might think it's an odd choice, as Apple do generally have "vision" as you said, but just like having the HDMI ports on the back of GPUs on the Mac Pro: it doesn't adversely affect anyone, besides some minor inconvenience (ie. compared to if it was a DisplayPort, so you don't need to use a USB-C cable/port/adapter).
Now to me ports are nothing when compared to the Apple Sillicon
And yet you have no issues making claims about how much other people should be fine with losing universally flexible port(s).
You can have the best CPU in the world - if your computer doesn't have the ability to connect to the peripheral devices you need to use, it's just a fancy paperweight.
Apple views have shifted since 2016 and we can see this year with the 2021 MacBook Pro
Making a statement of fact based on something that hasn't actually happened yet is kind of weird.
Turing up to someone else’s conference room to do a presentation and they are likely to have an hdmi cable, but no dongle.
I bet they also don't have a computer for you, or clothes for you to wear.
I've never had to do presentations like that, so maybe there's a different mind set involved... when I did on-site support work, I carried a laptop around with me, even if some days I never needed to actually use it.
I had a bag with at least three ethernet cables in it (~25cm, 1m and about 10m, because who knows where a free network point would be), a mouse, a power brick, some flash drives... It's called being prepared for the job you need to do.
If my SIL asks me to go install a shelf in her house, I don't turn up and say "well where's your cordless hammer drill and masonry bits?"
Turning up anywhere to do any presentation with a MacBook Pro (or any machine without a dedicated hdmi port) without an adapter would be ridiculously unprofessional. It would likely be the last time you were invited to present at that venue!
Given how long-lived projectors tend to be, and how many video connector types there are, I'd suggest that turning up to a presentation without a literal bag of adapters, or a multi-port adapter would be ridiculously unprofessional.
I feel that there are these people who fixate on this
It's almost like they're not interested in a solution, and just want to whine about it.
