OK. First, let me thank you for responding, I really appreciate the help. So I tried to install Monterey without open core and it it said I wasn't able to install that OS so I wouldn't know how to do that. I think you may be correct that Open Core won't allow the 6800 anymore. but I can't see anything without putting my Mac card in. I will give you a little background on this. after buying this I put a metal capable Radeon 7970 in it, I then used Oclp to put big sur. Used it that way for a long time. decided to go up to Monterey, again with no issues. I then upgraded to an RX580 with no issues. I then got the 6800 flashed it on a Windows computer and popped it right in and everything was perfect. all the while when I upgraded my OS to Monterey I simply clicked the upgrade button with no problem. I never upgraded to Ventura because everyone said it had a few problems. but a few days ago when Sonoma came out everyone was saying it ran perfectly with oclp 1.0.0. so here we are. So none of my video cars work other than the stock Mac one. I am running two Thunderbolt displays though a Titan Ridge PCIe card (flashed). yesterday I was able to see the 6800 (only on a separate monitor (non thunderbolt). today can't even get them to flash. it seems as if the computer has no drivers for other cards. they don't even spin up on initial startup like they used to. Thank you again.