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... and replace it with the new iPod touch Max. It would be about the size of a Kindle (maybe a little smaller), runs on iOS and has Apple Pencil support.
Also, iPad Air and the regular iPad will fuse together and will just be iPad, no changes to the iPad pro line.
Furthermore, the new iPhone line-up:

iPhone SE (4,7" display)

iPhone SE Max (5,5" display)

iPhone (5,4" display)

iPhone Max (6,5" display)

iPhone Pro (5,4" display)

iPhone Pro Max (6,5" display)
Pro models will habe Apple Pencil support.

That's how I would do it, if I were Tim Cook. 💁
 
The missing key here is multitasking. If they bring Multitasking to larger iPhones then I’d get a big phone. But if a big iPhone is just “a big iPhone” then I’d keep the Mini around.


(Also, Kids. $300 iPad vs $1200 phone? If you got a kid then you know what you’re not getting them.)
 
iPod touch only got refreshed last May with an A10 CPU, similar to what the 'classic' iPad got in September. I'd have thought it would be a bit soon for another refresh given how seldom the Touch gets looked at. If they were taking gaming seriously with the battery that's involved they could use a variation of next year's expected SE Plus to give a 5.5" shell with A13 SoC.
 
... and replace it with the new iPod touch Max. It would be about the size of a Kindle (maybe a little smaller), runs on iOS and has Apple Pencil support.
Also, iPad Air and the regular iPad will fuse together and will just be iPad, no changes to the iPad pro line.
Furthermore, the new iPhone line-up:

iPhone SE (4,7" display)

iPhone SE Max (5,5" display)

iPhone (5,4" display)

iPhone Max (6,5" display)

iPhone Pro (5,4" display)

iPhone Pro Max (6,5" display)
Pro models will habe Apple Pencil support.

That's how I would do it, if I were Tim Cook. 💁
I'm hoping for an A13 chip.
 
I’d gladly get an iPad Mini Pro, and carry around a smaller Phone. It’s just once you have a Note 10+ 6.8” Display which is more like 6.9” thanks to No Bezels or Camera Notch, its Tough to switch to smaller phones.

So I’d rather have a big phone and big tablet. 6.9” to 11.0” is like huge. But an 8.0” iPad Mini Pro. Doesn’t offer much.

A ruggedized, IPad Mini Pro. With, 3.5mm Jack and amp would be a great play at some sort or Music lovers Giant iPod Touch.
 
Wow, that’s a heck of a move. How is that working out for you and why did you decide to do that?

Working out great actually. I found I was using my mini constantly and only using my phone for basic needs. I rarely take photos. My wife does all that lol. So for me I was tired of carrying around a large phone plus my iPad as I much prefer my iPad so I was leaving my phone at home and using my Apple Watch cellular for calls and texts and the iPad for internet most times.

So I sold the pro max to my sister in law for cheap and got the SE.
 
Personally I love the iPad mini. I sold my pro max and got the SE so for me now I have a perfect combo.

I did that years ago. Bought the iPhone 6s Plus but it's cumbersome to use and kept falling out of my pocket, I immediately ordered the 4-inch iPhone SE when it was introduced. iPad mini and smaller phone are a better combo than one large phone.
 
The missing key here is multitasking. If they bring Multitasking to larger iPhones then I’d get a big phone. But if a big iPhone is just “a big iPhone” then I’d keep the Mini around.


(Also, Kids. $300 iPad vs $1200 phone? If you got a kid then you know what you’re not getting them.)
I think splitscreen on the iPad mini is an emergency solution. The screen is too small in my opinion. Also good luck using Logic Pro or Final Cut Pro, if it really comes to iPad.
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I have multiple different sizes of iPad, from iPad mini to iPad Pro. To me able to run apps designed for iPadOS is the key here. I certainly don't want an iPod touch Max or iPhone Pro Max to replace the iPad mini.
And what apps are these, if I may ask?
 
Personally I love the iPad mini. I sold my pro max and got the SE so for me now I have a perfect combo.

That's what I'm working with myself atm. My 11 is listed for sale, and I'm using SE and iPad mini. I had an 11" pro I sold because it was just overkill for my needs. I was gonna just use a 6th gen iPad for a while, but then one of my grandkids' iPads broke, so instead of replacing that, I gave them the 6th gen and bought an Air 3. But my oldest granddaughter, who had picked a mini 5 when I upgraded her iPad a few months ago, was really missing a bigger iPad, so ultimately I traded with her, wound up with mini 5, and she has the Air 3. Yes, we have been playing musical iPads around here the last few months.

It was cool because all along I really wanted a mini, but couldn't justify a second iPad, and wasn't sure how I'd do having one without the keyboard options. I'm loving it. I use it sitting in my chair, or in the bed, but I use my iMac when I need to do a lot of typing, which is as it should be - my iMac was collecting dust for the most part, and I can't part with it because when I need it, I need it, so I'm glad to be using it more.

Anyway, I am loving the SE so far. I've been drooling over smaller phones for a while after having big phones since the 6.
 
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I can see if the regular iPad will be discontinued, and the iPad Air and iPad mini becoming the baseline iPad.

However, I don't see Apple wanting to mix up the iPod with the iPad as both have different brands, and Apple is very particular on their brands. iPad mini will remain, but just like the iPad Air, it will be refreshed maybe every 2 or 3 years as needed, and right now the mini has plenty of headroom with the A12 and 3GB of RAM for its segment.
 
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I would like to see the iPod Nano return. I use the latest one for my run workouts paired to Aftershokz via Bluetooth. Great combo.

As for the iPod touch, I think it’s still around because no one wants to kill the last iPod...
 
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... and replace it with the new iPod touch Max. It would be about the size of a Kindle (maybe a little smaller), runs on iOS and has Apple Pencil support.
Also, iPad Air and the regular iPad will fuse together and will just be iPad, no changes to the iPad pro line.
Furthermore, the new iPhone line-up:

iPhone SE (4,7" display)

iPhone SE Max (5,5" display)

iPhone (5,4" display)

iPhone Max (6,5" display)

iPhone Pro (5,4" display)

iPhone Pro Max (6,5" display)
Pro models will habe Apple Pencil support.

That's how I would do it, if I were Tim Cook. 💁
It's a good thing that you're not Tim Cook then.

There are many vertical markets that rely on the iPad Mini. Medical professionals, pilots, warehouse workers, and POS terminals just to name a few. Those areas that rely on the iPad Mini cannot (and don't want to) replace them with iPhones.
 
The aviation industry uses ipad minis a lot. I think a larger screen in something about the same size as the mini would be great!
 
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It's a good thing that you're not Tim Cook then.

There are many vertical markets that rely on the iPad Mini. Medical professionals, pilots, warehouse workers, and POS terminals just to name a few. Those areas that rely on the iPad Mini cannot (and don't want to) replace them with iPhones.

It's a good thing you read OP's post properly. Oh wait.

But literally, first 9 words. You've even quoted them. He never suggested replacing ipads with iphones.
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I have multiple different sizes of iPad, from iPad mini to iPad Pro. To me able to run apps designed for iPadOS is the key here. I certainly don't want an iPod touch Max or iPhone Pro Max to replace the iPad mini.

Look at this from the other side. Apps that will only run on iPad are the ones that suck. Those that are capable of split screen/slide over and showing an iPhone layout at certain sizes would logically be able to go the opposite way too. That's the whole point of universal apps. It's more about screen size than device capability (at this point iPadOS is still iOS by another name).
 
It's a good thing you read OP's post properly. Oh wait.

But literally, first 9 words. You've even quoted them. He never suggested replacing ipads with iphones.
No, I read it correctly. They said they'd kill off the iPad Mini and then goes on to list their fantasy iPhone lineup. Even their "iPod Touch Max" seems to be nothing more than an iPhone without cellular. It is clear from the context of the entire post that they are suggesting replacing the Mini with an iPhone.
 
No, I read it correctly. They said they'd kill off the iPad Mini and then goes on to list their fantasy iPhone lineup. Even their "iPod Touch Max" seems to be nothing more than an iPhone without cellular. It is clear from the context of the entire post that they are suggesting replacing the Mini with an iPhone.

It really isn't, but good on your for sticking to your guns.

I guess OP's suggested iPod touch max (about the size of a kindle, the inference being that it is good for reading on) would indeed be wasted on you.
 
It really isn't, but good on your for sticking to your guns.

I guess OP's suggested iPod touch max (about the size of a kindle, the inference being that it is good for reading on) would indeed be wasted on you.

I have to agree with the guy who's sticking to his guns. He isn't saying he wouldn't find a slightly smaller iPad Mini to be useful. He's arguing against rebranding and changing the functionality of iPad Mini.

Here's what I see in the OP's post:
1) Realign the iPad product lineup by eliminating two iPad models - first, merge two products into one (iPad and iPad Air). Second, move iPad Mini into the iPod Touch brand while slightly down-sizing it to Kindle size and switching back to iOS from iPadOS.

2) Change the iPhone product lineup so that it has a standard-sized and max-sized model in each of three tiers: SE, mid-priced iPhone, and iPhone Pro.

Overall, this is the classic, "reorganize and simply the product line like Steve did when he returned to Apple" meme.

First, iPad:

So far, nobody's argued that there needs to be both an iPad and iPad Air. That must tell us something. The iPad Mini/iPod Touch Max, however, is another matter.

It's not a matter of whether it would be useful to have a somewhat smaller iPad Mini... Why not? Current iPad Mini is 5.3" x 8", the Kindle Kid's Edition is 4.7" x 7.4" - other Kindle models are around 4.5" x 6.3".

But why does a slight down-sizing of Mini demand a rebranding? It's easy to imagine, "The new iPad Mini, even easier to handle than ever!" Since many Mini users are healthcare workers, restaurant servers, warehouse clerks, etc. who are carrying them around all day, a slight downsizing could seem a plus.

Again, why rebranding? iPad has a very specific meaning in the public mindshare, iPod Touch has an entirely other meaning. Just what would be the point of retraining the public to think that an iPod Touch can be equivalent to an iPad? iPod Touch has always been smaller than an iPhone, so suggesting it can have a screen much larger than an iPhone... major re-education.

To a large extent, iPod Touch is seen as a child's product - what parents buy when they don't want their kid to have a phone and/or always-on internet access (and the cost of the service plan). Does it make sense to reclassify a product that is currently sold in large numbers to business/professional users as a child's toy? Further, the brand also connects to iPod's history of "1,000 songs in your pocket." An iPodTouch Max would certainly not be pocketable.

The only justification I can come for a rebranding is the OPs desire to remove iPadOS from the Mini. Changing (dare I say crippling) the functionality of Mini could indeed justify a re-brand. An iPad that doesn't run ipadOS?? So yes, the iPad name would have to go.

As I see it, Mini (and even a Kindle-sized Mini) is large enough to run iPadOS. I'm certain there are plenty of Mini users who would be quite unhappy to lose one or more of the features that distinguishes iPadOS from iOS. So as much as the OP might wish for it... I seriously doubt that would happen.

As to iPhone:

Yes, currently Apple Stores and Apple Store Online sell just SE, Xs, Xs Max, 11, 11 Pro and 11 Pro Max. That's four "new" models (SE, 11, 11 Pro, 11 Pro Max) and two value-priced "last year's model." Is the OP suggesting the "new" product line be expanded from four to six (with last-year's models bringing the roster up to eight or more), or that Apple Store's lineup of six phones be realigned to offer a max version in each of three product tiers? That's not clear.

Further, Apple is still selling/producing a larger range of models for sale by resellers/carriers, with older, lower-priced models available in less-affluent countries/regions. Is the OP proposing a world-wide slimming? That's also not clear.
 
It really isn't, but good on your for sticking to your guns.

I guess OP's suggested iPod touch max (about the size of a kindle, the inference being that it is good for reading on) would indeed be wasted on you.

It’s not wasted on some of us - but the idea of killing the iPad mini which has had continued success for years and is relied upon by so many due to its specific size, form factor and capabilities simply to reinvent it and make it more like another product for a specific use case can seem ludicrous to some of us. It’s pointless to argue semantics; it is pretty clear that OP was trying to suggest the elimination of a particular device size in favor of another in order to make it more relevant to them as an individual - whether or not it’s more of a Touch or iPhone is irrelevant really IMO. But yes as you’ve pointed out, we’re all entitled to our opinions.
 
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