I'm pretty sure I have every Yosemite issue possible. Is there any hope for a fix?

[GingerSnap75]

Hi, everyone. I'm new here and in desperate need of help. I switched over to Yosemite a couple months ago from Mountain Lion and have had nothing but issues since. I currently have a mid-2012, 13-inch, non-retina Macbook Pro that I just upgraded to 8GB yesterday, being assured it would fix the issues I've been having. Unfortunately, that wasn't the case.

Since switching to Yosemite, I have had constant issues with startup and performance. Often upon startup, it will get hung up at around the half way point and refuses to boot. Other times, it will start up, but I won't have a menu bar or dock. When it does start up successfully, I have about 15 minutes of use before I get the rainbow wheel and the laptop has to be left for an extended amount of time before it will run smoothly again (often an hour or two), only to begin the cycle over again. Finder will freeze, as will every other app I attempt to use. Safari will sometimes open, sometimes it won't. If it does, I have major performance issues (cursor lag, freezing, etc.). I've switched to Chrome because it will typically open dependably, but I still run into performance and freezing issues. Firefox won't even open. I don't dare attempt to open apps like calendar or mail, because it freezes my computer instantly, and I get an error message that it shut down unexpectedly. Word also has major issues of the same sort, but will open most of the time, although I have issues with freezing.

Upon upgrading to 8GB yesterday, I was assured it would fix these problems, but they have since gotten worse. I now only have a couple minutes of smooth performance before I get the rainbow wheel. They cleaned my hard drive (I am nowhere near storage capacity) and tested all hardware, which is working fine. I am currently writing a thesis, and this laptop is my lifeline. I just bought it a little over a year ago. Does anyone have any suggestions on how these issues can be fixed? I apologize, but I am not very tech-savvy, so I don't understand a lot of advanced terminology.

Thank you so much.

 

[adamhenry]

Who is the "they" that cleaned your hard drive and tested all hardware?

 

[Taz Mangus]

Hi, everyone. I'm new here and in desperate need of help. I switched over to Yosemite a couple months ago from Mountain Lion and have had nothing but issues since. I currently have a mid-2012, 13-inch, non-retina Macbook Pro that I just upgraded to 8GB yesterday, being assured it would fix the issues I've been having. Unfortunately, that wasn't the case.

Since switching to Yosemite, I have had constant issues with startup and performance. Often upon startup, it will get hung up at around the half way point and refuses to boot. Other times, it will start up, but I won't have a menu bar or dock. When it does start up successfully, I have about 15 minutes of use before I get the rainbow wheel and the laptop has to be left for an extended amount of time before it will run smoothly again (often an hour or two), only to begin the cycle over again. Finder will freeze, as will every other app I attempt to use. Safari will sometimes open, sometimes it won't. If it does, I have major performance issues (cursor lag, freezing, etc.). I've switched to Chrome because it will typically open dependably, but I still run into performance and freezing issues. Firefox won't even open. I don't dare attempt to open apps like calendar or mail, because it freezes my computer instantly, and I get an error message that it shut down unexpectedly. Word also has major issues of the same sort, but will open most of the time, although I have issues with freezing.

Upon upgrading to 8GB yesterday, I was assured it would fix these problems, but they have since gotten worse. I now only have a couple minutes of smooth performance before I get the rainbow wheel. They cleaned my hard drive (I am nowhere near storage capacity) and tested all hardware, which is working fine. I am currently writing a thesis, and this laptop is my lifeline. I just bought it a little over a year ago. Does anyone have any suggestions on how these issues can be fixed? I apologize, but I am not very tech-savvy, so I don't understand a lot of advanced terminology.

Thank you so much.

A few basic things to try to start with:

• Reset PRAM: https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT204063
• Repair Disk Permissions in Disk Utility and reboot.
• Repair Disk in Disk Utility.

See if any of this helps to start with.

 

[GingerSnap75]

Who is the "they" that cleaned your hard drive and tested all hardware?

Sorry, I took it to PC Place, where I bought the laptop, which is an authorized Mac dealer.

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A few basic things to try to start with:

• Reset PRAM: https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT204063
• Repair Disk Permissions in Disk Utility and reboot.
• Repair Disk in Disk Utility.

See if any of this helps to start with.

Thank you so much. I will attempt this tonight.

 

[DennisBlah]

Sorry, I took it to PC Place, where I bought the laptop, which is an authorized Mac dealer.

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Thank you so much. I will attempt this tonight.

I'm working at a Repair Centre.
This will solve your issue.

Just in case: make sure your battery is not 100% before starting.

Assuming your a 'regulair' user, get an external drive and backup your home folder to the external drive.
The easiest way to do this is to go to finder
hit CMD+Shift+C choose your hard drive, and open the folder Users.
In here you will see a folder named, with maybe your own name or w.e
it will have a 'House' icon in front.

Open spotlight ( CMD+Space ) and type 'terminal'
"sudo rsync -ardv " < drag your home folder here > " " < drag your external drive here >

In my case it will end up like:

"sudo rsync -ardv /Volumes/Macintosh HD/Users/dennis /Volumes/My Passport"

Hit enter, and fill in your password.

When this all has finished, you will have a backup of:
All your files i.e. Documents, Desktop, Pictures, Video's, Settings, Email etc.

Keep in mind, this did NOT backup your Applications from your Applications folder. Like.. Microsoft Office

Turn off your macbook, and disconnect your adapter if you did not yet.

Connect adapter, hold on the left side, ctrl+alt+shift (of the build-in keyboard)
Keep holding them, and watch your adapter indicator light when you press power.
(your macbook should not boot, but the indicator should turn off, show green, and goes back to orange)

release the buttons, and boot your mac while holding, CMD+Alt (left side) + P + R
Keep holding it untill the macbook rebooted itself 3 times.

Then only hold Command + R

Once booted in recovery mode, first choose for disk utility and erase your main harddrive.
Then choose for Re-Install OSX.

Because you're already running Yosemite, this will make a clean install of Yosemite.

At your post setup of the installation, choose the same username and password you had before.

When your done, go back to terminal
( CMD+Space ) and type 'terminal'

And now write, "sudo rsync -ardv " <drag your user folder from external drive here > " /Users/"
In my case it would be:

sudo rsync -ardv /Volumes/My Passport/dennis /Users/

When it's finished, you will have your whole machine back as it was before. (except for your installed applications)
Only now, it's clean installed, clean nvram and clean pram.

And all your issue's should be solved. Except if you are using a external monitor, unfortunally you will still have some login issue's when the monitor is connected due driver issue's. (I'm using a 27" thunderbolt display)

Hopefully this will help you with your issue's.

And make sure you are keeping track of all the yosemite incremental and security updates, because there are lots of issue's with yosemite 10.10.1 - 10.10.3.

If you're not making a clean install instead of a update, I can tell you, you will face lot more issue's in future.
The steps I explained above I'm using every day for updating all our systems on the warehouse.

 

[GingerSnap75]

I'm working at a Repair Centre.
This will solve your issue.

Just in case: make sure your battery is not 100% before starting.

Assuming your a 'regulair' user, get an external drive and backup your home folder to the external drive.
The easiest way to do this is to go to finder
hit CMD+Shift+C choose your hard drive, and open the folder Users.
In here you will see a folder named, with maybe your own name or w.e
it will have a 'House' icon in front.

Open spotlight ( CMD+Space ) and type 'terminal'
"sudo rsync -ardv " < drag your home folder here > " " < drag your external drive here >

In my case it will end up like:

"sudo rsync -ardv /Volumes/Macintosh HD/Users/dennis /Volumes/My Passport"

Hit enter, and fill in your password.

When this all has finished, you will have a backup of:
All your files i.e. Documents, Desktop, Pictures, Video's, Settings, Email etc.

Keep in mind, this did NOT backup your Applications from your Applications folder. Like.. Microsoft Office

Turn off your macbook, and disconnect your adapter if you did not yet.

Connect adapter, hold on the left side, ctrl+alt+shift (of the build-in keyboard)
Keep holding them, and watch your adapter indicator light when you press power.
(your macbook should not boot, but the indicator should turn off, show green, and goes back to orange)

release the buttons, and boot your mac while holding, CMD+Alt (left side) + P + R
Keep holding it untill the macbook rebooted itself 3 times.

Then only hold Command + R

Once booted in recovery mode, first choose for disk utility and erase your main harddrive.
Then choose for Re-Install OSX.

Because you're already running Yosemite, this will make a clean install of Yosemite.

At your post setup of the installation, choose the same username and password you had before.

When your done, go back to terminal
( CMD+Space ) and type 'terminal'

And now write, "sudo rsync -ardv " <drag your user folder from external drive here > " /Users/"
In my case it would be:

sudo rsync -ardv /Volumes/My Passport/dennis /Users/

When it's finished, you will have your whole machine back as it was before. (except for your installed applications)
Only now, it's clean installed, clean nvram and clean pram.

And all your issue's should be solved. Except if you are using a external monitor, unfortunally you will still have some login issue's when the monitor is connected due driver issue's. (I'm using a 27" thunderbolt display)

Hopefully this will help you with your issue's.

And make sure you are keeping track of all the yosemite incremental and security updates, because there are lots of issue's with yosemite 10.10.1 - 10.10.3.

If you're not making a clean install instead of a update, I can tell you, you will face lot more issue's in future.
The steps I explained above I'm using every day for updating all our systems on the warehouse.

Thank you so much. I will definitely give this a try tonight. Fingers are crossed. This whole thing has been a nightmare.

 

[satcomer]

If you did an "update" then use the free application EtreCheck and run it. It will print out a report telling I'd a program or extension is not ready for Yosemite (not loaded or incompatible) and can be deleted or updated. The program will point to the folder to manually delete/update the incompatible service, then reboot your Mac to speed it up after deleteing the bad service.

 

[interstella]

Is there any hope of a fix? No, Yosemite is a pile of poo but of course Apple is God and they are always right and if they say it's fantastic they must be right.

I still have Safari tabs closing at random, still have problems with Yosemite and OS X server (caching is totally random as to whether it works) and X-Plane refuses to run at more than 20 fps. Al things that nobody on this forum, or the X-Plane forums, can solve. The X-Plane forum has a 32 page thread on problems with Yosemite.

The apparent need to update to a new OS at yearly intervals is the cause of this grief. Products are being released without proper testing. Back in the days when I used Windows, I survived 6 years on Windows XP and it was (and probably still is) the best OS that MS ever released.

I just hope that that whatever follows Yosemite is better. However, you get what you pay for. As we pay nothing, we can't expect much! And, of course, it will have been rushed through development so will probably have plenty of bugs.

I love Apple hardware but Yosemite and iOS 8 really are an insult to the millions of people who've paid a lot of money for Apple equipment.

 

[fisherking]

Is there any hope of a fix? No, Yosemite is a pile of poo but of course Apple is God and they are always right and if they say it's fantastic they must be right.

I still have Safari tabs closing at random, still have problems with Yosemite and OS X server (caching is totally random as to whether it works) and X-Plane refuses to run at more than 20 fps. Al things that nobody on this forum, or the X-Plane forums, can solve. The X-Plane forum has a 32 page thread on problems with Yosemite.

The apparent need to update to a new OS at yearly intervals is the cause of this grief. Products are being released without proper testing. Back in the days when I used Windows, I survived 6 years on Windows XP and it was (and probably still is) the best OS that MS ever released.

I just hope that that whatever follows Yosemite is better. However, you get what you pay for. As we pay nothing, we can't expect much! And, of course, it will have been rushed through development so will probably have plenty of bugs.

I love Apple hardware but Yosemite and iOS 8 really are an insult to the millions of people who've paid a lot of money for Apple equipment.

what, are you 8 years old? (seriously, are you?). "a pile of poo"? anyway, some of us actually like yosemite, and don't have major problems. meanwhile, for those who do (and that could include you, interstella), you can try running the combo update. saved me a few OS's back, when i had some crazy issues...

 

[DennisBlah]

Thank you so much. I will definitely give this a try tonight. Fingers are crossed. This whole thing has been a nightmare.

Did it solve your problem?

I'm not even gonna bother reading the topic comment fishers ;-)

 

[SaxnFlutman]

DennisBlah, if one should go through the pretty complicated procedure you laid out, in order to properly install Yosemite, so that it has a better chance of actually working properly, then why doesn't Apple tell everyone to do that? Instead, many end up in OS Hell. Something's not right if either a new update is only for very tech-savvy users, or if Apple is hiding the fact you really can't just download and install it, without risking ending up in a nightmare scenario....

Even your long list of instructions doesn't explain what each step in the process is doing, what to do now that all your apps are deleted, etc, etc... I don't ever like to follow one list of steps, or even directions to someone's house, without knowing the bigger picture, so as not to be totally stuck if one step might be wrong, or something else unexpected occurs. Installing a newer Mac OS didn't used to be something only highly skilled, experienced users could handle safely, and that pretty much sucks.
I still use Snow Leopard cause it works, and works very well. However, as more and more apps no longer support it, I WANT to move on, but so far have not seen any newer OS arrive without lots of users having major issues, and that's, to be honest, appalling....

 

[Taz Mangus]

DennisBlah, if one should go through the pretty complicated procedure you laid out, in order to properly install Yosemite, so that it has a better chance of actually working properly, then why doesn't Apple tell everyone to do that? Instead, many end up in OS Hell. Something's not right if either a new update is only for very tech-savvy users, or if Apple is hiding the fact you really can't just download and install it, without risking ending up in a nightmare scenario....

Even your long list of instructions doesn't explain what each step in the process is doing, what to do now that all your apps are deleted, etc, etc... I don't ever like to follow one list of steps, or even directions to someone's house, without knowing the bigger picture, so as not to be totally stuck if one step might be wrong, or something else unexpected occurs. Installing a newer Mac OS didn't used to be something only highly skilled, experienced users could handle safely, and that pretty much sucks.
I still use Snow Leopard cause it works, and works very well. However, as more and more apps no longer support it, I WANT to move on, but so far have not seen any newer OS arrive without lots of users having major issues, and that's, to be honest, appalling....

DennisBlah was attempting to help the OP solve a problem. Do you have anything constructive to add that may help the OP solve their issues or was your intent to just criticize others that are attempting to help posters solve issues.

 

[simonsi]

I still use Snow Leopard cause it works, and works very well. However, as more and more apps no longer support it, I WANT to move on, but so far have not seen any newer OS arrive without lots of users having major issues, and that's, to be honest, appalling....

But TBH you have also not upgraded to the OS X versions that some users now look back on and state "most stable ever" that have been released since SL.

It would genuinely take less time that it takes to read this thread to re-partition a drive and put ML, M or Y on it...then you could judge for yourself rather then by self-selecting problem reports.

For each SL install when it came out there are probably 100 Y installs AND Y does way more and has way more external dependencies than SL so there are bound to be more operational issues, it doesn't make Yosemite fundamentally flawed, if that was the case it would be on mainstream media, not just speciality media.

Y could be 10x as reliable as SL but because there are 100x the installs, there are 10x the problems reported...its simple maths.

 

[Taz Mangus]

But TBH you have also not upgraded to the OS X versions that some users now look back on and state "most stable ever" that have been released since SL.

It would genuinely take less time that it takes to read this thread to re-partition a drive and put ML, M or Y on it...then you could judge for yourself rather then by self-selecting problem reports.

For each SL install when it came out there are probably 100 Y installs AND Y does way more and has way more external dependencies than SL so there are bound to be more operational issues, it doesn't make Yosemite fundamentally flawed, if that was the case it would be on mainstream media, not just speciality media.

Y could be 10x as reliable as SL but because there are 100x the installs, there are 10x the problems reported...its simple maths.

I remember people having issues with the early releases of Snow Leopard. It wasn't until the later releases that Snow Leopard became stable. I certainly don't remember 10.6.2 or 10.6.3 being anywhere as stable as 10.10.2 or 10.10.3 as been for me.

 

[interstella]

what, are you 8 years old? (seriously, are you?). "a pile of poo"? anyway, some of us actually like yosemite, and don't have major problems. meanwhile, for those who do (and that could include you, interstella), you can try running the combo update. saved me a few OS's back, when i had some crazy issues...

I'll ignore the personal insult (the forum won't allow me to say what I really think of it) but I have the update you suggested and I still have the same problems on two separate computers, a late 2013 27" iMac and a late 2013 13" rMBP.

Ok, they're trivial problems but being able to run X-Plane at a decent frame rate is rather important to me right now for real-life flight training. When it runs so slow that even the clock on the aircraft's instrument panel is running at less than half speed, there is a problem!

Anyway, if I were really 8 years old I could probably get a job designing icons for Windows .

 

[fisherking]

I'll ignore the personal insult (the forum won't allow me to say what I really think of it) but I have the update you suggested and I still have the same problems on two separate computers, a late 2013 27" iMac and a late 2013 13" rMBP.

Ok, they're trivial problems but being able to run X-Plane at a decent frame rate is rather important to me right now for real-life flight training. When it runs so slow that even the clock on the aircraft's instrument panel is running at less than half speed, there is a problem!

Anyway, if I were really 8 years old I could probably get a job designing icons for Windows .

sorry, just that statement that it's a 'pile of poo'...especially when it's an issue you're having, not everyone's having... but is it x-plane that you're having the issue with? have you contacted the developer, to be sure of yosemite compatibility?

 

[SaxnFlutman]

DennisBlah was attempting to help the OP solve a problem. Do you have anything constructive to add that may help the OP solve their issues or was your intent to just criticize others that are attempting to help posters solve issues.

Why do you keep missing or pretending to miss my point? I was NOT criticizing him or you for trying to help someone with their issues. My point is that Macs are not meant to be used only by very computer-savvy users, but the general public (especially creative types, who are generally not all that technical, at least with computers). Therefore, simply updating one's OS should not have to entail long, complicated processes to do, in order for their machines to continue functioning as they were before the "improved" OS. And if they do, that is something Apple should both have accessible, and explain that this may be needed, BEFORE they simply tell everyone to download it via Software Update or the App Store.

And, if their Beta testing has not been comprehensive enough to ensure many users having massive issues, they should simply lengthen the process! We would much rather wait for a finished product that is stable, than one "in process" as if we're all that impatient for the newest and coolest bells & whistles. Maybe they could introduce two levels of OS, one simpler, without lots of new stuff, which are mostly reconfiguring of older stuff, the stuff we're used to, and don't have any desire to have to relearn an entire new way of doing it, like Mail, iTunes, etc,..... And one with all the bells and whistles, so that willing to deal with greater potential of conflicts & glitches can do so, if they wish.

 

[SaxnFlutman]

But TBH you have also not upgraded to the OS X versions that some users now look back on and state "most stable ever" that have been released since SL.

It would genuinely take less time that it takes to read this thread to re-partition a drive and put ML, M or Y on it...then you could judge for yourself rather then by self-selecting problem reports.

For each SL install when it came out there are probably 100 Y installs AND Y does way more and has way more external dependencies than SL so there are bound to be more operational issues, it doesn't make Yosemite fundamentally flawed, if that was the case it would be on mainstream media, not just speciality media.

Y could be 10x as reliable as SL but because there are 100x the installs, there are 10x the problems reported...its simple maths.

At least your comments make sense Simonsi, but don't forget, there were plenty of reports on mainstream media of all the Wifi issues Yosemite users were having, it was all over the place. And that Y has way more external dependencies & does way more than SL IS EXACTLY THE PROBLEM!!

Not all Mac users give a damn about all those bells whistles, this isn't my car I want to customize and race others with, it's a tool, for communication, entertainment, and doing my business (music) with. I don't feel some overwhelming need for it to do one more thing it's not capable of doing in SL. And if apps were not losing their support, as well as security issues, I'd keep it still.

But since I'm feeling I have to upgrade soon, I have no clue as to where to go. Apple won't let me install Mavericks, excluding all but those who already have it (ironic & sleazy), and yes, I have heard of all kinds of issues people have had with everything in between, one reason I'm still with SL. And what I have done intuitively, has been affirmed in many forums by expert users, as a good choice, as it's seen as the most stable OS still..

Trying out different ones on a second partition, as you recommend, is something that would require a good bit of reading up, learning how to do it, what it means to have one OS on each partition, what that means for my apps & personal data, etc. I don't know anything about all that, and really, shouldn't have to jump through so many hoops, just to keep my Mac running ok. You said it would take less time to do that, than researching all the various reports of bugs, (& posting comments here, too, I know), but is it really all that "easy"? It may be, I just don't know, and not sure where I would find the most comprehensive, yet simplest, source of information & knowledge as to how to exactly do this.

And having had some nightmare technical issues in the past, the thought of that huge time & nerves killer occurring, is basically paralyzing me. Whether to jump 100ft into the water, as I see some do it with no problem, while others are lying on the rocks below, is not a nice position to be in. And I guess it pisses me off that Apple has come to where a simple update is something to be so feared. The most successful & richest high tech company on the planet should do better than that...

 

[F1Mac]

Not all Mac users give a damn about all those bells whistles, this isn't my car I want to customize and race others with, it's a tool, for communication, entertainment, and doing my business (music) with. I don't feel some overwhelming need for it to do one more thing it's not capable of doing in SL. And if apps were not losing their support, as well as security issues, I'd keep it still.

But since I'm feeling I have to upgrade soon, I have no clue as to where to go. Apple won't let me install Mavericks, excluding all but those who already have it (ironic & sleazy), and yes, I have heard of all kinds of issues people have had with everything in between, one reason I'm still with SL. And what I have done intuitively, has been affirmed in many forums by expert users, as a good choice, as it's seen as the most stable OS still..

If you're still on SL there's a good chance you'll have to upgrade quite a few apps after installing Yosemite. Just keep that in mind when you decide to make the jump. I'm a musician as well so I use a lot of audio and music apps. All are running perfectly fine under Yosemite, just an FYI, or course I don't know which ones you're using, I'm just saying. If you're not using Airdrop I'm betting your wifi will be fine. I don't need all the bells and whistles either, but I like to keep my system "current", so I prefer running the latest OS when possible.

 

[interstella]

sorry, just that statement that it's a 'pile of poo'...especially when it's an issue you're having, not everyone's having... but is it x-plane that you're having the issue with? have you contacted the developer, to be sure of yosemite compatibility?

Without wishing to go too far off-topic, lots of people are having trouble with X-Plane. The developer is well aware of the problem (hence the 32-page thread on the forums!) and it appears to be something to do with the way Yosemite handles graphics. Sorry that I can't be more specific. Some people find it works fine, others have lots of problems even running at very low graphics settings. Most of the while I struggle to get frame rates in double figures though last week I had frame rates of 60 fps for a short while. Soon after that, back to 10 fps. With Mavericks I could run consistently at 30 fps or more.

 

[adamhenry]

Senseless bickering has completely hijacked this thread. I wonder if the OP will ever come back. WTG!

 

[fisherking]

Without wishing to go too far off-topic, lots of people are having trouble with X-Plane. The developer is well aware of the problem (hence the 32-page thread on the forums!) and it appears to be something to do with the way Yosemite handles graphics. Sorry that I can't be more specific. Some people find it works fine, others have lots of problems even running at very low graphics settings. Most of the while I struggle to get frame rates in double figures though last week I had frame rates of 60 fps for a short while. Soon after that, back to 10 fps. With Mavericks I could run consistently at 30 fps or more.

then the developer needs to fix this... making yosemite, in this instance, not a 'pile of poo' (and perhaps, a dish of really-good if imperfect chocolate ice cream...)

 

[Taz Mangus]

Why do you keep missing or pretending to miss my point? I was NOT criticizing him or you for trying to help someone with their issues. My point is that Macs are not meant to be used only by very computer-savvy users, but the general public (especially creative types, who are generally not all that technical, at least with computers). Therefore, simply updating one's OS should not have to entail long, complicated processes to do, in order for their machines to continue functioning as they were before the "improved" OS. And if they do, that is something Apple should both have accessible, and explain that this may be needed, BEFORE they simply tell everyone to download it via Software Update or the App Store.

And, if their Beta testing has not been comprehensive enough to ensure many users having massive issues, they should simply lengthen the process! We would much rather wait for a finished product that is stable, than one "in process" as if we're all that impatient for the newest and coolest bells & whistles. Maybe they could introduce two levels of OS, one simpler, without lots of new stuff, which are mostly reconfiguring of older stuff, the stuff we're used to, and don't have any desire to have to relearn an entire new way of doing it, like Mail, iTunes, etc,..... And one with all the bells and whistles, so that willing to deal with greater potential of conflicts & glitches can do so, if they wish.

Not much to miss, someone gives a suggestion on a possible fix to a issue and you turn into "why can't Appple..." situation. And did you actually have something useful to add that would help out the OP, of course not.

 

[SaxnFlutman]

If you're still on SL there's a good chance you'll have to upgrade quite a few apps after installing Yosemite. Just keep that in mind when you decide to make the jump. I'm a musician as well so I use a lot of audio and music apps. All are running perfectly fine under Yosemite, just an FYI, or course I don't know which ones you're using, I'm just saying. If you're not using Airdrop I'm betting your wifi will be fine. I don't need all the bells and whistles either, but I like to keep my system "current", so I prefer running the latest OS when possible.

Oh yeah, I know there'll be plenty of apps needing updating, and thankfully not using Airdrop, so that is one less thing to worry about. I wish I felt more secure about doing a clean install, partly cause I'd like to get a bunch of stuff that's been around for years, out, but I just can't afford to be spending the next part of my life, trying to figure out what went wrong!

Well, thanks for making it sound a little less hazardous a leap....