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iMac vs. Gateway on CNN

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The iMac still rules over all others (in my opinion, of course). I must say, however, that I really like the ease of installing another hard drive inside the Gateway (even thought it's still uglier than the iMac!).

CNN Show and Tell

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CBAviator said:
The iMac still rules over all others (in my opinion, of course). I must say, however, that I really like the ease of installing another hard drive inside the Gateway (even thought it's still uglier than the iMac!).

CNN Show and Tell

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He's basically saying that no its not an iMac killer but it could but...but that will never happen cause Apple is so far ahead in the race just like with windows...other companies will emulate Apple's current product only to find that Apple will release a newer and better product. Just the way the world works!
 
The thing was ugly but the thing I would give it over the iMac would be the easily accessible components... of course fanboys here will most likely consider anything non-apple blasphemy.
 
The ability to open up the case easily was great. Nothing else about it remotely compelling though, compared to an iMac
 
The ability to slide in another hard drive as easily as well, the macbook pretty much convinced me to start yelling at Apple for not doing so too. It's starting to annoy me that Apple is the only company who doesn't think about user upgradability other than RAM... :rolleyes:
 
Upgradability is cool and all but it's still running vista, still has a BIOS and it still is a Gateway!
 
I don't mind the design so much. I heck of a lot better than their previous all-in-one! However, I will soon be buying my first Mac (iMac) because of the operating system.... not the hardware!
 
makes me laugh

All I ever hear is: "Oh I love the iMac, BUT I want to install a HD or add a DVD player. PCs can do this wake up Apple!"

Guess what folks, MOST PC people are NOT interested in adding anything, or opening up their computers. And they are Clueless when it comes to installing ANYTHING, including RAM! I know I sold computers, PC and Mac for 9 years!
Most people we willing to pay the install fee to have the work done.

My 2 cents!
 
DesignerOnMac said:
All I ever hear is: "Oh I love the iMac, BUT I want to install a HD or add a DVD player. PCs can do this wake up Apple!"

Guess what folks, MOST PC people are NOT interested in adding anything, or opening up their computers. And they are Clueless when it comes to installing ANYTHING, including RAM! I know I sold computers, PC and Mac for 9 years!
Most people we willing to pay the install fee to have the work done.

My 2 cents!
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99% buy their computer and use it. 1% use it and talk about it... but the only thing the 1% talking hears is the things the rest of the 1% says, so they become convinced that "everyone" wants a Mac mid-tower, OS X on open hardware, upgradeable video for "serious gaming", etc.

Some foolish companies aim for the 1%, and fritter away their company's resources chasing vapor. Apple seems to have found a way to serve a growing share of the market, while feeding the 1% to a degree that doesn't satisfy them but keeps them mostly calm.
 
DesignerOnMac said:
All I ever hear is: "Oh I love the iMac, BUT I want to install a HD or add a DVD player. PCs can do this wake up Apple!"

Guess what folks, MOST PC people are NOT interested in adding anything, or opening up their computers. And they are Clueless when it comes to installing ANYTHING, including RAM! I know I sold computers, PC and Mac for 9 years!
Most people we willing to pay the install fee to have the work done.

My 2 cents!
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Cool your fanboy jets there sonny!

I don't get your point. You're saying it's a stupid idea because todays technology makes it possible?

The reason Apple doesn't do it is so iMac owners buy new iMacs instead of upgrading it, probably not because people don't want to upgrade it.

All I am saying is: it's possible and Apple will lose some percent of their target audience because of this, ie. the casual gamers and pro users who might want to buy the iMac 24" for this. We do have a lot of 24" owners on these forums who fit that bill nicely.
 
Jiddick ExRex said:
Cool your fanboy jets there sonny!

I don't get your point. You're saying it's a stupid idea because todays technology makes it possible?

The reason Apple doesn't do it is so iMac owners buy new iMacs instead of upgrading it, probably not because people don't want to upgrade it.

All I am saying is: it's possible and Apple will lose some percent of their target audience because of this, ie. the casual gamers and pro users who might want to buy the iMac 24" for this. We do have a lot of 24" owners on these forums who fit that bill nicely.
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His overuse of the exclamation point aside, I don't think he was saying it's stupid becuase technology makes it possible. He was saying the vast majority of Apple's (and indeed the computer industry's) users will not be interested in installing another hard drive, video card, DVD drive... even adding memory is iffy for several. These users (to his original point) are not the vocal minority but the silent majority. I strongly concur with him. I've converted 10 families/friends and exactly none of them have asked me how to replace anything in their 2-4 year-old macs. None of them have even mentioned it as a need.

Apple probably knows this and they've designed the iMac around it. It was the spirit of the original iMac and remains its spirit today. To say that Apple hopes the users might buy a new iMac when they need a new hard drive is a stretch. I think it's more likely that they want people to buy a new iMac when they want a new FEATURE (larger screen as an example).

The 24" owners you mentioned, who are pro users and casual gamers, would in most cases be better suited to buy a Mac Pro as this will give them better value (this is why I got one rather than an iMac). They know it and Apple knows they know it. The percentage that you (very correctly) say they will lose by setting it up this way isn't as important to them because they are out to serve the silent majority.

Just my opinion as I see it.

rjf
 
I think the Gateway One is a really nice looking computer, but the iMacs main benifit is OS X and ease of use, something that isn't available on the One.

As for Mac Pro vs iMac, Apple should at least release a lower-spec Mac Pro, if not a mid range tower.
 
Yes no matter how nice any Dell, Gateway, or HP is they don't run OS X. There will never be an "iMac killer" as long as it's Windows vs Mac.
 
The upgradability in that thing is amazing! Only if the imac could do that, i would have THE perfect computer :D
 
rjfiske said:
His overuse of the exclamation point aside, I don't think he was saying it's stupid becuase technology makes it possible. He was saying the vast majority of Apple's (and indeed the computer industry's) users will not be interested in installing another hard drive, video card, DVD drive... even adding memory is iffy for several. These users (to his original point) are not the vocal minority but the silent majority. I strongly concur with him. I've converted 10 families/friends and exactly none of them have asked me how to replace anything in their 2-4 year-old macs. None of them have even mentioned it as a need.

Apple probably knows this and they've designed the iMac around it. It was the spirit of the original iMac and remains its spirit today. To say that Apple hopes the users might buy a new iMac when they need a new hard drive is a stretch. I think it's more likely that they want people to buy a new iMac when they want a new FEATURE (larger screen as an example).

The 24" owners you mentioned, who are pro users and casual gamers, would in most cases be better suited to buy a Mac Pro as this will give them better value (this is why I got one rather than an iMac). They know it and Apple knows they know it. The percentage that you (very correctly) say they will lose by setting it up this way isn't as important to them because they are out to serve the silent majority.

Just my opinion as I see it.

rjf
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I happen to also agree with the point of the majority of users not need expandability.

With regards to the pro user you and I mentioned, a lot of users buy the iMac 24" over the current Mac Pro (which is heavily outdated, RAM and GPU to mention one thing) simply because of value. The Mac Pro is currently not a very good buy right now, seeing as baseline conf. of iMac 24" beats the crap out the baseline Mac Pro and you need to spend even more money on the Mac Pro to make it go anywhere.

What I guess I am saying is that I would gladly take the iMac 24" over the Mac Pro and so would a lot of other users. The converted people you talk about (parents, grandparents etc. etc.) don't need the 24" (primarily because most of them have bad eyesight as it is :p ), and so they are not the target audience for this machine. Pro users are, some which actually would like to have more than one single fricking hard drive...
 
I have to say, 'SHE' is pretty slick. ;) Horrible report, but a great idea. I really wish the iMac opened up like that.
 
Has anybody actually checked the specs of this thing? It's a ripoff!

The cheapest gateway one is $1299 and comes with:

19" Screen
1.5GHZ Core2Duo
Integrated Intel Graphics
2GB RAM
320GB HDD
DVD-RW
Digital Card Reader
Wireless/Gigabit Ethernet
Wireless Keyboard and Mouse
1.3mp Webcam

Software: Vista Home Premium

Compare this to the iMac at $1199 ($100 cheaper):

20" Screen
2GHz Core2Duo
250GB HDD
DVD-RW
Radeon 2400 128MB Graphics
Non-wireless Keyboard and Mouse

Leopard, iLife etc software package (much better than just Vista Premium)

ALSO, lets look at the middle most comparable model:

$1499:

Same everything but with 2600XT Graphics
400GB HDD

iMac 20"

2.4GHZ Processor! (1.6x raw clock speed faster!, not to mention 4mb cache)
320GB HDD
1GB RAM
Radeon 9600Pro Graphics


All in all, the gateway has a smaller, crappier screen. Slightly better GPU and double the RAM, but crippled by the anaemic 1.5GHz Core2Duo with half the cache.

Yes Apple does charge an extra $150 for their RAM upgrades, but really they are only $30-40 to buy brand new. The wireless keyboard and mouse is another $60. So for $1299, you can have a faster computer that looks better, performs better, has more software, a much faster processor, dedicated graphics, bigger screen and the ability to DUAL boot OS X and Vista. Yes the HDD is 70GB less but for the price external drives go these days (to use with TimeMachine) the Gateway one is a decent attempt but still no where near competition for the iMac.
 
I would LOVE it if Apple made the inside of the iMac accessible like the One is. Flip it open, add a hard drive, etc...that would be sweet.

That's really the only thing about the One that I prefer over the iMac.
 
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