MP All Models Imagine paying $60,000 for Intels vulnerable exploding silicon of crap

[Zellio]

Imagine if you will, paying $60,000 including a monitor, for 14nm+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ only to have the system lose 20% performance in the next 5 years due to vulnerabilities while in the next year Intel drops prices in half to stay competitive and some dude comes along and either builds or buys for $10,000-$20,000 a threadripper 3 3990x 64 core system with ONLY 256gb of ECC ram that does everything you do in half the time.

This is hilariously overpriced. At least give an AMD option Apple.

 

[BJonson]

 

[baypharm]

I can imagine it quite vividly. Tell me...how much do you realistically believe its worth then?

 

[ActionableMango]

PC configurations outperforming the Mac Pro for most use cases, and at a lower price, is the normal state of affairs. Switching to AMD wouldn't change that.

 

[Zellio]

PC configurations outperforming the Mac Pro for most use cases, and at a lower price, is the normal state of affairs. Switching to AMD wouldn't change that.

They could easily have AMD as an OPTION like I said on the op as Epyc simply dominates whatever 14nm+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ node intel is on now

 

[ActionableMango]

They could easily have AMD as an OPTION like I said on the op as Epyc simply dominates whatever 14nm+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ node intel is on now

Sure they could. But even if Apple was AMD-only, the Mac Pro would still be priced the same "$60,000" and still have cheaper PCs running faster than it.

In any case, if the "Van Gogh" rumors bear fruit, you might get your wish for an AMD-powered Mac.

 

[junkw]

what are the current best equivalent to the Mac Pro? Dell Poweredge, HP Proliant?

 

[ruslan120]

You’re absolutely right.

The Mac Pro has other features that engineering effort went into on top of performance:
- Custom designed motherboard
- T2 Chip engineering
- Custom, efficient power supply
- Custom layout
- Custom case to make everything compact yet adequately cool the machine
- Custom cooling
- Near silence
- A lot of R&D in the MPX modules and providing power through MPX slots to avoid unsightly cables and improve cooling
- Added cost to offset the future efforts that will be needed by Apple to ensure hardware compatibility and reliability for any future cards they offer

But to be fair, half the machine is probably Thunderbolt 3 licensing costs 😛 (/s)

 

[Korican100]

You’re absolutely right.

The Mac Pro has other features that engineering effort went into on top of performance:
- Custom designed motherboard
- T2 Chip engineering
- Custom, efficient power supply
- Custom layout
- Custom case to make everything compact yet adequately cool the machine
- Custom cooling
- Near silence
- A lot of R&D in the MPX modules and providing power through MPX slots to avoid unsightly cables and improve cooling
- Added cost to offset the future efforts that will be needed by Apple to ensure hardware compatibility and reliability for any future cards they offer

But to be fair, half the machine is probably Thunderbolt 3 licensing costs 😛 (/s)

all that, but most importantly, macOS

 

[Lone Deranger]

In any case, if the "Van Gogh" rumors bear fruit, you might get your wish for an AMD-powered Mac.

Wait... what!? Please elaborate.

 

[goMac]

Threadripper still doesn’t support AVX512. It generally gets destroyed in any benchmark that involves AVX.

And a lot of pro apps are AVX512 optimized.

 

[Demigod Mac]

Unlikely a Mac Pro would be used in an environment where CPU vulnerabilities would matter.

 

[thisisnotmyname]

Wait... what!? Please elaborate.

God no, there was one person posting tin foil hat theories about it for like two weeks straight in every thread, quick delete your post before they notice and start it all over again

 

[ActionableMango]

Wait... what!? Please elaborate.

I'm not following this very closely, but I think these are the facts:

• AMD uses "famous painter names" for its APUs (a CPU and GPU on a single die).
• A beta AMD graphics driver for Catalina includes the phrase "Van Gogh" in it.

Speculation about what this means varies:

This might mean nothing at all. It is normal for Mac graphics drivers to include support for things they don't sell, because drivers often support related families of devices. Anyone who has been around here knows that many third party devices work just fine in Macs because of that family driver support. So maybe that's just there because AMD has started to include it.

It might also mean Apple is testing an AMD APU in-house, in which case support for "Van Gogh" was added on purpose. People are excited about the possibility that Apple is at the very least considering an AMD-powered Mac, and maybe more.

To a certain person who is, well... let's just say somewhat enthusiastic about AMD, this means a lot more. It wouldn't surprise me if he's already planned out the entire next-gen Macintosh lineup with AMD CPUs, GPUs, and APUs.

 

[Lone Deranger]

I'm not following this very closely, but I think these are the facts:

• AMD uses "famous painter names" for its APUs (a CPU and GPU on a single die).
• A beta AMD graphics driver for Catalina includes the phrase "Van Gogh" in it.

Speculation about what this means varies:

This might mean nothing at all. It is normal for Mac graphics drivers to include support for things they don't sell, because drivers often support related families of devices. Anyone who has been around here knows that many third party devices work just fine in Macs because of that family driver support. So maybe that's just there because AMD has started to include it.

It might also mean Apple is testing an AMD APU in-house, in which case support for "Van Gogh" was added on purpose. People are excited about the possibility that Apple is at the very least considering an AMD-powered Mac, and maybe more.

To a certain person who is, well... let's just say somewhat enthusiastic about AMD, this means a lot more. It wouldn't surprise me if he's already planned out the entire next-gen Macintosh lineup with AMD CPUs, GPUs, and APUs.

Ahah! I see. Seems like wishful thinking to me. But who can say.

Thank you for explaining.

 

[Plutonius]

This is hilariously overpriced. At least give an AMD option Apple.

It's only a tool.

If it's not right for you, get something else (it doesn't have to be Apple).

 

[revmacian]

It's only a tool.

If it's not right for you, get something else (it doesn't have to be Apple).

That is the most common sense thing I've read in a while. Unfortunately, it doesn't fit into certain agendas. Many people are hating on Apple because Apple isn't giving them exactly what they want. So, they find a fault and then they build an agenda based on a perceived injustice and run with it.

 

[Zellio]

Threadripper still doesn’t support AVX512. It generally gets destroyed in any benchmark that involves AVX.

And a lot of pro apps are AVX512 optimized.

AVX512 is really only used for h.264, which only a part of professionals use. If you do 3d rendering like me, I don't know of a program that takes advantage of avx512 and threadripper kills intel for me.

Also, a good gpu does what avx512 does and better, and h.265 uses AVX2 which AMD does support.

 

[MisterAndrew]

Wow, I don't know how this thread slipped under the radar, but now that I've found it I added it to our list. Some juicy content in here people!

https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...-megathread-plan-your-adventure-here.2184687/