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All iPads Improved auto correction in iPad OS 17 needs at least A14

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I really can’t follow apples decision to drop new features for older devices. Why you need at least A14 for the improved auto correction?

“iPad Pro 12.9-inch (5th generation and later), iPad Pro 11-inch (3rd generation and later), iPad (10th generation), iPad Air (4th generation and later), or iPad mini (6th generation”
 
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It's probably accumulation of load from not just one feature, but many, that may reduce the experience below what's acceptable.
 
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The new Auto correction uses an AI model so it needs to run in real-time or as close as to be useful. Unfortunately, that means needing newer processors.
 
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This means if you plan to keep your device longer it’s better to get a version with a new redesigned SOC to enjoy new features as long as possible.
The A12 e.g. was a better buy than the A13.

So it makes sense to wait for the 3nm M3 if you plan to get a new iPad. The M2 will give you most probably the same features as M1.
 
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Torty said:
This means if you plan to keep your device longer it’s better to get a version with a new redesigned SOC to enjoy new features as long as possible.
The A12 e.g. was a better buy than the A13.
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Not necessarily. Iirc, the A13 devices got new iOS 16 features that the A12 didn't. Can't remember exactly but I think it might have been extracting the subject in photos.
 
The neural engine is the one area where the A12X/Z iPad Pros show their age, despite being competitive everywhere else. You start throwing heavy ML tasks at them and they fall behind even an iPhone SE pretty quick.
 
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Not necessarily. Iirc, the A13 devices got new iOS 16 features that the A12 didn't. Can't remember exactly but I think it might have been extracting the subject in photos.
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Just checked. There isn’t a feature the A13 can but the A12 can’t.
 
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Just checked. There isn’t a feature the A13 can but the A12 can’t.
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Found it. It was Metal 3 that A12 didn’t get.


Support for Metal on Mac, iPad, and iPhone - Apple Support.png
 
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The neural engine is the one area where the A12X/Z iPad Pros show their age, despite being competitive everywhere else. You start throwing heavy ML tasks at them and they fall behind even an iPhone SE pretty quick.
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To be honest the neural engin on A12 has been great. This chip got a ton of features that A10X (and even A11 to some extent which had a weaker neural engin, the first one in an Apple SOC) didn't get for lack of a neural engine. What A13 and A14 got in addition to A12 is so far pretty minor compared to what A12 has received as new features compared to SOCs lacking a neural engine (iPad pros up to 2nd gen and basic iPad up to 7th gen)
 
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I just want the same AutoCorrect that worked mind-blowingly well on my old iPhone 4. Guarantee it doesn't need an A14 for that.
 
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Torty said:
I really can’t follow apples decision to drop new features for older devices. Why you need at least A14 for the improved auto correction?

“iPad Pro 12.9-inch (5th generation and later), iPad Pro 11-inch (3rd generation and later), iPad (10th generation), iPad Air (4th generation and later), or iPad mini (6th generation”
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I say Apple needs to fix it first. On my Pro 11 Gen4 it sucks.
Personally I agree - don't see why that new of a chip is needed. Metal 3 for an AI?
 
They need to fix the basic auto-correct. That is, provide a good AC for the rest of us.

It's right now a mess. It still can't handle 1) apostrophes properly, 2) inadvertent commas in the middle of words, 3) b n m v c mistakenly entered instead of a space in-between words, etc. They should emu,ate (sic) Word for Mac's spell checker which has long handled such issues or mistakes with aplomb — no AI needed. (I left “emulate” uncorrected to illustrate the issue.)

I'm all for Apple using language modeling for more recent devices, but they'd be doing right by their long-time customers to fix such a basic feature, one critical to using the on-screen keyboard. Otherwise, it comes off with a tinge of a deliberate upgrade push rather than a fix.

It also remains to be seen if it fixes the current, glaring AC flaws!
 
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I just want the same AutoCorrect that worked mind-blowingly well on my old iPhone 4. Guarantee it doesn't need an A14 for that.
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This, it's totally bogus Apple claiming you need all these advanced processors for auto correction that works. T9 was a million times better then then the absolute cluster disaster Apple has had in iOS for years now. I read Apple made it so their system uses information from the cloud and uses words other people save or type, and the whole thing is a disaster auto capitalising in the middle of words, putting other words into the word your trying to type, get one letter wrong in a word and it refuses point blank to auto spell it. I have this multiple times in the day on my iPad Pro M1 and iPhone 13 Pro, and have had the same issues on my older Apple devices.

Auto spell and auto correct has frankly been one area Android has totally embarrassed Apple in. And it's something that's existed for what over 10 or 20 years now?
So to claim you need modern new processors for auto spell to work is an utter joke and Apple should be even more ashamed and embarrassed of themselves then they already were over this feature.
Sorry it's a bit of a sore subject for me, it winds me up no end lol.

Basically Apple followed the industry. Had something that worked like everyone else, stopped using it to come up with their own solution, because apparently 'security' and all that... and made a complete and utter joke of a mess of it that's frustrated users for years now.
 
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Classic Apple feature rationing. I seriously doubt it needs the A14 Neural Engine to do autocorrect even for entire sentences.

We've seen this story before and the most obvious incident was with iPhone 14. It gets the Photonic Engine while the iPhone 13 with the same A15 doesn't.

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This, it's totally bogus Apple claiming you need all these advanced processors for auto correction that works. T9 was a million times better then then the absolute cluster disaster Apple has had in iOS for years now. I read Apple made it so their system uses information from the cloud and uses words other people save or type, and the whole thing is a disaster auto capitalising in the middle of words, putting other words into the word your trying to type, get one letter wrong in a word and it refuses point blank to auto spell it. I have this multiple times in the day on my iPad Pro M1 and iPhone 13 Pro, and have had the same issues on my older Apple devices.

Auto spell and auto correct has frankly been one area Android has totally embarrassed Apple in. And it's something that's existed for what over 10 or 20 years now?
So to claim you need modern new processors for auto spell to work is an utter joke and Apple should be even more ashamed and embarrassed of themselves then they already were over this feature.
Sorry it's a bit of a sore subject for me, it winds me up no end lol.
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I'll agree with this. The autocorrect is very frustrating, not even knowing common words. Especially frustrating when trying to use swype gestures to enter text.
 
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