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Intel minis in Apple Stores now....

jsw

jsw

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Mar 16, 2004
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Andover, MA
The Rockingham (Salem), NH Apple Store has both flavors of Intel minis in stock. I'd assume others do as well.

Just an FYI.
 
Thanks for the info. I'm taking a little road trip up to Charlotte tomorrow and might have to stop by the Apple Store to check them out.
 
treblah said:
Thanks for the info. I'm taking a little road trip up to Charlotte tomorrow and might have to stop by the Apple Store to check them out.
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I'd call first - it only takes a sec and might save you some time!
 
Score!:) I just got off the phone with the Cambridgeside store here in Cambridge, MA and they have both the solos and duos out on display and models in stock for sale. I think I may be heading over there after my 5pm meeting to play around a bit. :D
 
Ordered Mine

I ordered mine online. I like to customize it a little which you can't do at the store. But I'm going to stop by the store today to check it out and make sure I didn't make a mistake by getting one.
 
i'm not going to school tomorrow(sick) so maybe i'll go to the Apple store, i am doing stuff about Jobs in school
 
Alrighty...here I am at the cambridgeside Apple Store posting this on the new Intel Mac Mini Duo w/512MB of ram...I've run through all of the iLife applications, messed with the dashboard ripples and all that great stuff and it seems to move pretty fast. So far, it's pretty impressive, IMHO. I personally can tell a rather pronounced difference between this and the old ones...However:

XBench 1.2 Results:

Results 49.94
System Info
Xbench Version 1.2
System Version 10.4.5 (8H1619)
Physical RAM 512 MB
Model Macmini1,1
Drive Type ST98823AS
CPU Test 64.00
GCD Loop 216.42 11.41 Mops/sec
Floating Point Basic 75.75 1.80 Gflop/sec
vecLib FFT 37.07 1.22 Gflop/sec
Floating Point Library 56.48 9.83 Mops/sec
Thread Test 162.53
Computation 146.44 2.97 Mops/sec, 4 threads
Lock Contention 182.60 7.86 Mlocks/sec, 4 threads
Memory Test 94.50
System 99.63
Allocate 108.86 399.76 Kalloc/sec
Fill 93.51 4546.47 MB/sec
Copy 97.76 2019.16 MB/sec
Stream 89.87
Copy 76.07 1571.25 MB/sec
Scale 76.63 1583.15 MB/sec
Add 109.52 2333.03 MB/sec
Triad 108.88 2329.31 MB/sec
Quartz Graphics Test 58.99
Line 57.99 3.86 Klines/sec [50% alpha]
Rectangle 49.92 14.90 Krects/sec [50% alpha]
Circle 52.51 4.28 Kcircles/sec [50% alpha]
Bezier 88.42 2.23 Kbeziers/sec [50% alpha]
Text 58.37 3.65 Kchars/sec
OpenGL Graphics Test 159.13
Spinning Squares 159.13 201.87 frames/sec
User Interface Test 19.25
Elements 19.25 88.35 refresh/sec
Disk Test 30.64
Sequential 49.04
Uncached Write 36.16 22.20 MB/sec [4K blocks]
Uncached Write 58.38 33.03 MB/sec [256K blocks]
Uncached Read 46.97 13.74 MB/sec [4K blocks]
Uncached Read 64.55 32.44 MB/sec [256K blocks]
Random 22.28
Uncached Write 7.25 0.77 MB/sec [4K blocks]
Uncached Write 65.18 20.87 MB/sec [256K blocks]
Uncached Read 66.56 0.47 MB/sec [4K blocks]
Uncached Read 89.00 16.51 MB/sec [256K blocks]

Interestingly enough, this is only 4 points higher than the Rev.E PB in my signature. I've now got a line waiting behind me to get on this machine though, so I'm going to run back to my office now. :D Cheers!

EDIT: New info before they kick me out...uptime is 4 hours, pageins/outs = 150000/137000...hmmm
 
Cool, thanks!

Now we know the internal drives: these (at least on some of the minis).

We all know how spotty Xbench is, but it's better than nothing. It would appear - if we can take Xbench's word for it, which is debatable - that the stock mini duo is ~half as fast (overall) as my 17" Intellimac with 2GB RAM and a SATA drive.

The graphics score is half that of the iMac (better than I would have expected), but, for whatever reason, the HD score is much, much lower - I wonder if it has anything to do with the net boot in the stores?

Code: 
Results	110.72	
	System Info		
		Xbench Version		1.2
		System Version		10.4.5 (8G1454)
		Physical RAM		2048 MB
		Model		iMac4,1
		Drive Type		Maxtor 6L160M0
	CPU Test	70.91	
		GCD Loop	238.49	12.57 Mops/sec
		Floating Point Basic	83.34	1.98 Gflop/sec
		vecLib FFT	41.39	1.37 Gflop/sec
		Floating Point Library	62.28	10.85 Mops/sec
	Thread Test	174.72	
		Computation	155.99	3.16 Mops/sec, 4 threads
		Lock Contention	198.57	8.54 Mlocks/sec, 4 threads
	Memory Test	97.20	
		System	92.16	
			Allocate	89.75	329.59 Kalloc/sec
			Fill	97.29	4730.50 MB/sec
			Copy	89.85	1855.80 MB/sec
		Stream	102.81	
			Copy	84.16	1738.28 MB/sec
			Scale	89.13	1841.30 MB/sec
			Add	127.90	2724.64 MB/sec
			Triad	125.22	2678.71 MB/sec
	Quartz Graphics Test	114.31	
		Line	102.57	6.83 Klines/sec [50% alpha]
		Rectangle	113.48	33.88 Krects/sec [50% alpha]
		Circle	112.50	9.17 Kcircles/sec [50% alpha]
		Bezier	110.88	2.80 Kbeziers/sec [50% alpha]
		Text	137.55	8.60 Kchars/sec
	OpenGL Graphics Test	122.68	
		Spinning Squares	122.68	155.63 frames/sec
	User Interface Test	239.28	
		Elements	239.28	1.10 Krefresh/sec
	Disk Test	83.12	
		Sequential	96.81	
			Uncached Write	107.11	65.76 MB/sec [4K blocks]
			Uncached Write	94.78	53.63 MB/sec [256K blocks]
			Uncached Read	119.71	35.03 MB/sec [4K blocks]
			Uncached Read	76.47	38.43 MB/sec [256K blocks]
		Random	72.82	
			Uncached Write	40.65	4.30 MB/sec [4K blocks]
			Uncached Write	95.38	30.53 MB/sec [256K blocks]
			Uncached Read	90.04	0.64 MB/sec [4K blocks]
			Uncached Read	114.44	21.23 MB/sec [256K blocks]
 
Did either of you ask how the macbook supply was in boston or salem? I'm looking at snagging one but they don't take reservations so it's a bit of luck whether you are at the store when they have them.
 
excalibur313 said:
Did either of you ask how the macbook supply was in boston or salem? I'm looking at snagging one but they don't take reservations so it's a bit of luck whether you are at the store when they have them.
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When I was buying my mini (Salem, NH), the guy in front of me had just bought a 2.0GHz MBP. I have no idea if there were any left, but certainly there was at least that one!
 
iHeartTheApple said:
Alrighty...here I am at the cambridgeside Apple Store posting this on the new Intel Mac Mini Duo w/512MB of ram...I've run through all of the iLife applications, messed with the dashboard ripples and all that great stuff and it seems to move pretty fast. So far, it's pretty impressive, IMHO. I personally can tell a rather pronounced difference between this and the old ones...However:

XBench 1.2 Results:

Code: 
Results	49.94	
	User Interface Test	19.25	
		Elements	19.25	88.35 refresh/sec
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Is it possible to try this with "beam synchronization" off (see here)?

iHeartTheApple said:
Interestingly enough, this is only 4 points higher than the Rev.E PB in my signature. I've now got a line waiting behind me to get on this machine though, so I'm going to run back to my office now.
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It may be higher if this is also running into the same xbench problem.

Just out of interest, where did you get the xbench from that you used here? You get pretty much identical disk results to me, but jsw, who apparently has the identical iMac to me (I don't know my HD type yet), gets different results.
 
excalibur313 said:
Did either of you ask how the macbook supply was in boston or salem? I'm looking at snagging one but they don't take reservations so it's a bit of luck whether you are at the store when they have them.
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I saw two people with MacBookPro boxes being rung up at the registers...Didn't ask about supplies though.
 
plinden said:
Is it possible to try this with "beam synchronization" off (see here)?
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I'm guessing that the in-store minis don't have the dev tools installed.
plinden said:
Just out of interest, where did you get the xbench from that you used here?
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Also just a guess, but since the mini had to be a fresh boot (stores just got them) and I doubt iHeartTheApple brought in a USB drive or CD, it is most likely the version I downloaded today (note the lack of the final tests which were present in your older version).
 
plinden said:
Is it possible to try this with "beam synchronization" off (see here)?


It may be higher if this is also running into the same xbench problem.

Just out of interest, where did you get the xbench from that you used here?
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I dowloaded it from the Xbench site. Oops, no I can't do the beam sync thing...I left the store and am now posting this reply back at my office :eek:

I hope that this post was helpful, I realize that Xbench isn't really considered to be the "standard," but with a line of people and two sales associates watching me, I didn't really have time to dilly-dally around. :( They kept asking me "Can I help you with anything, sir?" haha...I spent a good 15 mins on the thing anyway. At least we know from the pageins/outs that the 512MB of ram isnt gonna cut it, but it's not that big of a surprise. :)
 
jsw said:
Cool, thanks!

The graphics score is half that of the iMac (better than I would have expected), but, for whatever reason, the HD score is much, much lower - I wonder
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I'd say that's pretty good. 50% as fast as an ATI X1600 is far faster than I think many of us expected the integrated graphics to be. might even make it comparable to the radeon 9200 in the old model
 
similar XBench score to the one i got from the Core Duo iMac. as plinden said, something is weird with XBench and the Intels.
 
iHeartTheApple said:
I dowloaded it from the Xbench site. Oops, no I can't do the beam sync thing...I left the store and am now posting this reply back at my office :eek:

I hope that this post was helpful, I realize that Xbench isn't really considered to be the "standard," but with a line of people and two sales associates watching me, I didn't really have time to dilly-dally around. :( They kept asking me "Can I help you with anything, sir?" haha...I spent a good 15 mins on the thing anyway. At least we know from the pageins/outs that the 512MB of ram isnt gonna cut it, but it's not that big of a surprise. :)
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I am curious, what does the page in/outs have to do with the amount of ram? I know its in the system memory section of activity monitor, but I never knew exactly what it was indicating.
 
York-Diuck said:
I am curious, what does the page in/outs have to do with the amount of ram? I know its in the system memory section of activity monitor, but I never knew exactly what it was indicating.
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It tells you how often the system runs out of RAM and starts swapping things in memory to/from the swap file on the hard drive to keep going.

(The swap file is used as "virtual" memory to allow tasks that are larger than the physical memory, or just more tasks, to run).

B
 
Yeah on Tuesday I hit the Apple Store in Milwaukee, they had the Intel Minis there too. No HiFi though. Does anyone know what the ship date is for those, or more importantly, when we will see/hear one in an ARS? Front Row looked pretty good, I was quite impressed. I read one post that a tech at a store in AZ said that they had Tuesday's mystery item(s) in stock....apparently he asked on that Sunday, so cool news there.

Cheers
 
oh, btw:
Anyone know if the IR ports are bi-directional? that would be killer
Also, can you sync remotes? I.e. use the same one for iPod, HiFi, MBP? I can see the disads to that, BUT it would be nice to have one and not....3 or more. Thanks!
 
FWIW Xbench (latest version) on a 3 mth old Mini 1.5 / 1GB.

Results 45.02
System Info
Xbench Version 1.2
System Version 10.4.5 (8H14)
Physical RAM 1024 MB
Model PowerMac10,2
Processor PowerPC G4 @ 1.50 GHz
L1 Cache 32K (instruction), 32K (data)
L2 Cache 512K @ 1.50 GHz
Bus Frequency 167 MHz
Video Card ATY,RV280
Drive Type ST9808211A
CPU Test 59.40
GCD Loop 118.82 6.26 Mops/sec
Floating Point Basic 39.36 935.30 Mflop/sec
vecLib FFT 80.53 2.66 Gflop/sec
Floating Point Library 47.39 8.25 Mops/sec
Thread Test 66.40
Computation 63.17 1.28 Mops/sec, 4 threads
Lock Contention 69.97 3.01 Mlocks/sec, 4 threads
Memory Test 30.19
System 32.79
Allocate 103.55 380.26 Kalloc/sec
Fill 32.32 1571.71 MB/sec
Copy 19.65 405.89 MB/sec
Stream 27.98
Copy 27.19 561.61 MB/sec [altivec]
Scale 27.12 560.23 MB/sec [altivec]
Add 28.95 616.70 MB/sec [altivec]
Triad 28.75 615.04 MB/sec [altivec]
Quartz Graphics Test 61.52
Line 42.78 2.85 Klines/sec [50% alpha]
Rectangle 51.31 15.32 Krects/sec [50% alpha]
Circle 52.22 4.26 Kcircles/sec [50% alpha]
Bezier 71.48 1.80 Kbeziers/sec [50% alpha]
Bezier 71.48 1.80 Kbeziers/sec [50% alpha]
Text 189.71 11.87 Kchars/sec
OpenGL Graphics Test 75.73
Spinning Squares 75.73 96.07 frames/sec
User Interface Test 35.20
Elements 35.20 161.55 refresh/sec
Disk Test 30.68
Sequential 51.43
Uncached Write 32.18 19.76 MB/sec [4K blocks]
Uncached Write 50.28 28.45 MB/sec [256K blocks]
Uncached Read 88.26 25.83 MB/sec [4K blocks]
Uncached Read 64.57 32.45 MB/sec [256K blocks]
Random 21.86
Uncached Write 7.13 0.75 MB/sec [4K blocks]
Uncached Write 63.63 20.37 MB/sec [256K blocks]
Uncached Read 64.22 0.46 MB/sec [4K blocks]
Uncached Read 87.54 16.24 MB/sec [256K blocks]

.....
So I presume if memory was bumped up to 1GB on a new machine then it might free up some memory and its results would be even better (than the G4 shown here)
 
kiwi-in-uk said:
So I presume if memory was bumped up to 1GB on a new machine then it might free up some memory and its results would be even better (than the G4 shown here)
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I guess we're going to have to wait for someone to put xbench on their new mini and disable the beam synchronization so we can actually have a realistic comparison...Anyone decided to open theirs yet? :)
 
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