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I ask because a friend refuses to buy an Intel processor if it is made in a country that is known for human rights abuses. If I can find out where specifically that Apple's portion of Intel's manufacturing is done, I may be able to convince him to buy a Mac. If, on the other hand, it is one of those countries, it won't make a difference anyway and he'll buy a US/German AMD-powered PC.
Intel has it's 32 nm fabs here in the US, Arizona to be exact. Don't know where their 45 and 55nm fabs are though.
BTW, look for Intel fabs because all other non fab Intel facilities are non-production sites, just testing and development.
BTW, look for Intel fabs because all other non fab Intel facilities are non-production sites, just testing and development.
Then he can't have an Intel CPU, easy as that. Or any CPU at all. Or any product at all.
As a solution, he could stop being a moron. Just saying.
Apple should use some of their cash pile to build their own high-end quad-core, 8-core, 16-core chips and throw Intel under the bus. Let Intel crash and burn with M$FT!
Intel is absoutely the largest and in my opinion most innovative semicunductor company today, the same way IBM led the 70's and 80's.
You realize it costs over a billion dollars to design a single chip? And even if they did, they would either have to use Intel's architecture OR create their own and have a THIRD transition!
You realize it costs over a billion dollars to design a single chip? And even if they did, they would either have to use Intel's architecture OR create their own and have a THIRD transition!
Well there is history of human rights abuse in every country, so good luck to your friend
Well said.
Every country has had its dark times and golden times. And all these times can be coloured in economical, political, and social colours. And these colours are open to own interpretation like from which sources you seem to get your info.
That friend probably doesn't buy anything from anywhere?? Which car can he buy etc.? German? French? Italian? British? Japanese? US? Malaysian? Korean?
All countries mentioned above have had issues regarding political "correctness".
LOL... tell that friend to grow up. What an idiot.
+10, even the food you eat can come from a country where regardless of political correctness, there is some abuse to the workers.
I would appreciate if you would act like an adult and not refer to a friend of mine as a "moron." Please show some basic respect. Would you want to be treated that same way?
As for the central issue, the question is whether buying the product would subsidize a regime that is currently abusing human rights. I addressed this last night in a post that was redacted along with a slew of others that were way off-topic and offensive. Whether a country abused human rights years ago under a different government is a non-issue and lies in the past. Their behavior in the here-and-now and for the foreseeable future is what matters.
From what I understand, all high tech products have a valuable mineral that is mostly mined in the Congo, where a massive 6 way civil war is going on, and where children are used to mine and as cannon fodder. You're friend, like the falling whistles people, can just stop using their tech altogether.
You consider that appropriate and relevant? Again, if you were one of the people abused by a government in the past, you might think that "matters."
I ask because a friend refuses to buy an Intel processor if it is made in a country that is known for human rights abuses. If I can find out where specifically that Apple's portion of Intel's manufacturing is done, I may be able to convince him to buy a Mac. If, on the other hand, it is one of those countries, it won't make a difference anyway and he'll buy a US/German AMD-powered PC.
Well there is history of human rights abuse in every country, so good luck to your friend
Axemantitan - the first reply, by alphaod is honest, correct and straight to the point that you raised. Did you expect to make a statement like that, without having to defend it?
As to the statement you made...
What exact human rights abuses and or violations is your friend concerned about? I ask, because there are so many types it would be hard to boycott almost any product that is bought, sold or made in the United States on that vague criteria alone.
When did I ever say that I wouldn't defend it? It is highly disingenuous of you to imply that I wouldn't.
As for my statement, note the use of the word "is". What matters is the present and the foreseeable future, as I have already stated. What may have happened decades or centuries ago and is not happening now is irrelevant.
As for what criteria qualifies as human rights abuses? Those would be the same criteria that are commonly used by our society: Sweatshops and other slave labor-like conditions (China, among others), aggression against other countries and oppression of ethnic groups not in power (Israel), and child labor (China, the Philippines.) These criteria are not vague nor apply to the United States.
China is not the only country with child labor, human rights abuse, oppression of ethnic groups, etc. The United States is also guilty of such. We're currently fighting a war in the Middle East, specifically Afghanistan. We oppress the ethnic groups native to the region and abuse human rights, rights that are protected in the US by law. Soldiers are killed every day and civilians that live in the region are killed as well. Conditions are much worse than some sweatshop.
Your friend should read up on history, and stop being pro-American. No nation is 100% innocent, past or present, of child labor. In fact, China's so-called sweat shops have better conditions than Black slaves in the US did.
Lastly, Intel would never hire children to run a fab. The technical term for Intel's "factories" is fab, short for fabrication. Assembly lines may have children working, but definitely not the fabs. Most of the things you buy in the United States and almost every country, is made in Asia. By Asia I mean India, Sri Lanka, China, Taiwan, Japan, Korea, Philippines, Thailand, etc. Clothes, furniture, electronics, construction materials, etc. If you really wanted to boycott child labor or the other criteria mentioned, then go be a hermit, make your own clothes, grow/cook your own food, and build your house from timber. Oh wait, that sounds a lot like Gandhi and Thoreau. I really admire those two guys...
There is nothing that Intel does that every other chip maker doesn't do as well. They operate in the same places, in the same countries, in the same ecosystems of human rights.
If you friend really gives a damn about human rights and thinks picking a different CPU makes a difference, you should tell your friend to get rid of EVERY SINGLE ELECTRICAL ITEM they own. EVERYTHING. ALL of it.
If you friend really gives a damn about human rights and thinks picking a different CPU makes a difference, you should tell your friend to get rid of EVERY SINGLE ELECTRICAL ITEM they own. EVERYTHING. ALL of it.