iPad 4 owners: Are you upset that iOS 11 wont be supported on your iPad.

[gobikerider]

I am just curious what the vast majority of iPad 4 owners think of this. My friend was berating me yeasterday about how Apple has "planned obsolescence" since his iPad 4 will not be suppported in iOS 11. I had to explain to him how they were switching over finally to a 64bit ecosystem and eliminating the straggling 32bit devices. This same thing happened when MacOS switched over to 64bit, the 32bit devices met a swift EOL regarding software support. He was not satfied with the answer, I told him to stop being a cheap B**** and go buy a new $330 iPad. (He isn't financially strained in any way).

 

[sracer]

Tell him to look on the bright side. He'll never ever again have to get nagged to death that there is an iOS update. That actually INCREASES the value of that iPad 4.

 

[kissfan]

And it won't bog down like my 3 on iOS 10.

 

[gobikerider]

Tell him to look on the bright side. He'll never ever again have to get nagged to death that there is an iOS update. That actually INCREASES the value of that iPad 4.

Idk if an iPad 4 running iOS 10 has much value to begin with, that thing is painfully slow...or maybe I am too picky.
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And it won't bog down like my 3 on iOS 10.

Oh you poor soul I forgot about the iPad 3 people and you guys are back on iOS 9.3.5 TBH iOS 9 it was awesome on the Air 2 but iOS 10 defiantly was a more polished release. In fact iOS 8 was awful, iOS 9 improved alittle, iOS 10 was solid, but iOS 11 looks like perfection in terms of polish and overall responsiveness of the OS is concerned.

 

[sracer]

Idk if an iPad 4 running iOS 10 has much value to begin with, that thing is painfully slow...or maybe I am too picky.

My iPad 4 is running on iOS 10 and still going strong. It is surprisingly snappy for a device that old. I've given it to my adult daughter and it continues to work well for her. But then again I wiped it out and set it up as new which MIGHT have something to do with it (or not).

 

[kissfan]

Idk if an iPad 4 running iOS 10 has much value to begin with, that thing is painfully slow...or maybe I am too picky.
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Oh you poor soul I forgot about the iPad 3 people and you guys are back on iOS 9.3.5 TBH iOS 9 it was awesome on the Air 2 but iOS 10 defiantly was a more polished release. In fact iOS 8 was awful, iOS 9 improved alittle, iOS 10 was solid, but iOS 11 looks like perfection in terms of polish and overall responsiveness of the OS is concerned.

It now runs one single app. Production went to a 10.5 pro.

 

[gobikerider]

It now runs one single app. Production went to a 10.5 pro.

Same except 12.9

 

[spiderman0616]

The people who come at me with this tired old "planned obsolescence" argument are usually just as you said--too cheap to upgrade hardware, even though they can definitely afford to do so. I have a friend who still has the original iPad, uses it daily, and is always telling me how mad he is that there are no iOS updates for it anymore. He makes great money at his job, doesn't have kids, has very little debt, and here's the kicker--DIDN'T EVEN PAY HIS OWN MONEY FOR THE IPAD! He won it in a raffle for crying out loud!!! Yet, he always makes it a point to rip on Apple because his 7 year old hardware with it's 7 year old RAM configuration and software cannot run 2017 iOS or apps.

If you buy something like a tablet, a smartphone, a laptop, or anything else electronic expecting it to keep up with the times forever until you do something to break it somehow, you are 100% delusional. This is just not the way computing devices work, and it never has been. People can blame Apple all they want, but there is no way that Apple could have put an A10x and 4 GB of RAM in the iPad 4 and have it start at $499. The tech probably wasn't there yet even if they could. This is not Apple's or any other company's fault. It's just the way things are with technology.

Ugh--sorry to get on a soapbox here--it's just that the whole "planned obsolescence" thing drives me bonkers. If you never want to be disappointed with a device's inability to keep up with the times, then just don't buy it, because your expectations are WAY too high.

 

[rui no onna]

I actually consider the iPad 4 being stuck on iOS 10 to be a pro rather than a con. The hardware has what, 8x slower CPU and 16x slower GPU compared to the latest models?

 

[gobikerider]

I actually consider the iPad 4 being stuck on iOS 10 to be a pro rather than a con. The hardware has what, 8x slower CPU and 16x slower GPU compared to the latest models?

Thank you someone dropped the knowledge
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The people who come at me with this tired old "planned obsolescence" argument are usually just as you said--too cheap to upgrade hardware, even though they can definitely afford to do so. I have a friend who still has the original iPad, uses it daily, and is always telling me how mad he is that there are no iOS updates for it anymore. He makes great money at his job, doesn't have kids, has very little debt, and here's the kicker--DIDN'T EVEN PAY HIS OWN MONEY FOR THE IPAD! He won it in a raffle for crying out loud!!! Yet, he always makes it a point to rip on Apple because his 7 year old hardware with it's 7 year old RAM configuration and software cannot run 2017 iOS or apps.

If you buy something like a tablet, a smartphone, a laptop, or anything else electronic expecting it to keep up with the times forever until you do something to break it somehow, you are 100% delusional. This is just not the way computing devices work, and it never has been. People can blame Apple all they want, but there is no way that Apple could have put an A10x and 4 GB of RAM in the iPad 4 and have it start at $499. The tech probably wasn't there yet even if they could. This is not Apple's or any other company's fault. It's just the way things are with technology.

Ugh--sorry to get on a soapbox here--it's just that the whole "planned obsolescence" thing drives me bonkers. If you never want to be disappointed with a device's inability to keep up with the times, then just don't buy it, because your expectations are WAY too high.

Keeping the iPad awesome for him that he can use it and not be driven insane by its speed or lack thereof but yah he better chill out with those complaints I am hoping the extreme overhead of the A10X will get it a nice 6 years support, considering the iPad 2 got 5 years I don't think I'm overshooting here am I

 

[rui no onna]

Keeping the iPad awesome for him that he can use it and not be driven insane by its speed or lack thereof but yah he better chill out with those complaints I am hoping the extreme overhead of the A10X will get it a nice 6 years support, considering the iPad 2 got 5 years I don't think I'm overshooting here am I

The iPad 2 performed pretty poorly by iOS 8. The iPad 4 slowed down but handled updates more gracefully than the 2. The Air 2 went 3 years with nary a hiccup and it seems like it should handle iOS 11 fairly well.

That said, Apple supported the 3G up to iOS 4 while the original only got iOS 3 despite processor and RAM being exactly the same. I think we can reasonably expect 5 years of support for the iPad. Beyond that, Apple might arbitrarily cut off updates.
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My friend was berating me yeasterday about how Apple has "planned obsolescence" since his iPad 4 will not be suppported in iOS 11.

Just a thought, the planned obsolescence argument goes both ways.

Don't provide updates and it's planned obsolescence because of lack of software support.

Do provide updates and it's planned obsolescence because Apple is "purposely" slowing down older hardware.

No way to win.

 

[gobikerider]

The iPad 2 performed pretty poorly by iOS 8. The iPad 4 slowed down but handled updates more gracefully than the 2. The Air 2 went 3 years with nary a hiccup and it seems like it should handle iOS 11 fairly well.

That said, Apple supported the 3G up to iOS 4 while the original only got iOS 3 despite processor and RAM being exactly the same. I think we can reasonably expect 5 years of support for the iPad. Beyond that, Apple might arbitrarily cut off updates.
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Just a thought, the planned obsolescence argument goes both ways.

Don't provide updates and it's planned obsolescence because of lack of software support.

Do provide updates and it's planned obsolescence because Apple is "purposely" slowing down older hardware.

No way to win.

Your right.....omg next post about someone mad about ios 11 performance and "planned obsolescence" I might lose it

 

[Eric5273]

My guess is if they had allowed him to update his iPad 4 to iOS11, he would then complain that it lags way too much and is unusable, much the way many people complained about the iPad 2 on iOS9.

 

[TechZeke]

The people who come at me with this tired old "planned obsolescence" argument are usually just as you said--too cheap to upgrade hardware, even though they can definitely afford to do so. I have a friend who still has the original iPad, uses it daily, and is always telling me how mad he is that there are no iOS updates for it anymore. He makes great money at his job, doesn't have kids, has very little debt, and here's the kicker--DIDN'T EVEN PAY HIS OWN MONEY FOR THE IPAD! He won it in a raffle for crying out loud!!! Yet, he always makes it a point to rip on Apple because his 7 year old hardware with it's 7 year old RAM configuration and software cannot run 2017 iOS or apps.

If you buy something like a tablet, a smartphone, a laptop, or anything else electronic expecting it to keep up with the times forever until you do something to break it somehow, you are 100% delusional. This is just not the way computing devices work, and it never has been. People can blame Apple all they want, but there is no way that Apple could have put an A10x and 4 GB of RAM in the iPad 4 and have it start at $499. The tech probably wasn't there yet even if they could. This is not Apple's or any other company's fault. It's just the way things are with technology.

Ugh--sorry to get on a soapbox here--it's just that the whole "planned obsolescence" thing drives me bonkers. If you never want to be disappointed with a device's inability to keep up with the times, then just don't buy it, because your expectations are WAY too high.

The funny part about your friend - his device didn't magically stop working just because it's not getting updates and still uses it as a daily driver.

The other funny thing is, Apple gets the most criticism over planned obsolescence, yet ask any Android user about regular updates 4+ years later.

People act like there is a self destruct mechanism that activates when a device is no longer supported by the latest software.

 

[gobikerider]

The funny part about your friend - his device didn't magically stop working just because it's not getting updates and still uses it as a daily driver.

The other funny thing is, Apple gets the most criticism over planned obsolescence, yet ask any Android user about regular updates 4+ years later.

People act like there is a self destruct mechanism that activates when a device is no longer supported by the latest software.

I know but I mentioned android and he pulled the crap about rooting and loading the newest android roms. I was like irregardless they will be utter sh*** if your phone/tablet is older then 3 years

 

[masotime]

I know but I mentioned android and he pulled the crap about rooting and loading the newest android roms. I was like irregardless they will be utter sh*** if your phone/tablet is older then 3 years

That's not crap - it's true. You can certainly do that. You could spend all your time tinkering with "modding" - but that really is the point isn't it?

If you have that much time on your hands to play with your gadget, or your needs strongly require specialized customization, then definitely Android is the way to go.

If your needs are uncomplicated and you just want to get things done, just buy / upgrade the latest Apple product every once in a while.

I look at it as a market segmentation thing. Different strokes for different folks. Personally I don't have time to fiddle with stuff like I did in the past when I assembled computers and compiled drivers on Linux distros in mini ITX enclosures, so I just get Apple products.

 

[gobikerider]

That's not crap - it's true. You can certainly do that. You could spend all your time tinkering with "modding" - but that really is the point isn't it?

If you have that much time on your hands to play with your gadget, or your needs strongly require specialized customization, then definitely Android is the way to go.

If your needs are uncomplicated and you just want to get things done, just buy / upgrade the latest Apple product every once in a while.

I look at it as a market segmentation thing. Different strokes for different folks. Personally I don't have time to fiddle with stuff like I did in the past when I assembled computers and compiled drivers on Linux distros in mini ITX enclosures, so I just get Apple products.

I'm still young but I've gone from being obsessed to micromanaging every aspect of my computers to just wanting it to automatically work and take care of itself. God help me I think I will finally start using iCloud to restore backups instead of setting up my devices as new every time I update the iOS. I'm getting so lazy lmao

 

[akash.nu]

Just a thought, the planned obsolescence argument goes both ways.

Don't provide updates and it's planned obsolescence because of lack of software support.

Do provide updates and it's planned obsolescence because Apple is "purposely" slowing down older hardware.

No way to win.

THIS.!!! That argument annoys me so much that I end up losing my cool.!

 

[akash.nu]

That's not crap - it's true. You can certainly do that. You could spend all your time tinkering with "modding" - but that really is the point isn't it?

If you have that much time on your hands to play with your gadget, or your needs strongly require specialized customization, then definitely Android is the way to go.

If your needs are uncomplicated and you just want to get things done, just buy / upgrade the latest Apple product every once in a while.

I look at it as a market segmentation thing. Different strokes for different folks. Personally I don't have time to fiddle with stuff like I did in the past when I assembled computers and compiled drivers on Linux distros in mini ITX enclosures, so I just get Apple products.

You just explained how my life has changed over the years.

 

[throAU]

No, i had a good 5 or more years out of that device and it's well past its use by date.

I bought my 10.5" pro to replace it.

People forget just how old these older ipads are. If they were laptops they'd have been replaced by most people 2-3 years ago.

 

[rui no onna]

No, i had a good 5 or more years out of that device and it's well past its use by date.

I bought my 10.5" pro to replace it.

People forget just how old these older ipads are. If they were laptops they'd have been replaced by most people 2-3 years ago.

I believe the laptop I'm using pre-dates the iPad 4 and the laptop still works just fine (aside from battery). x86 was already pretty mature and in the "good enough" stage when the iPad was released. I remember comparing complex webpage load times on the iPad to my circa-2011/2012 laptop (i7, 16GB RAM, SSD) and the laptop was noticeably faster. It wasn't until A8X/A9 that the iPad was able to bridge the performance gap.

Meanwhile, there's been dramatic improvement going from Apple A4/256MB RAM to Apple A10X/4GB LPDDR4 RAM.

 

[spiderman0616]

You just explained how my life has changed over the years.

I used to build gaming PCs and spend a good part of every evening either playing on them, maintaining them, or fixing them to keep them running in tip top shape, and that was after a long work day of being on my work computer. Now I use an iPad Pro for 99% of my personal computing and a PS4 for my gaming.