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retta283

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A7 chip and 1 GB RAM is too little, it struggles on iOS 12 as well. I'd recommend downgrading to iOS 10 if you really want the speed back but it seems like you're not interested in this per se, app support is probably more important
 

Digitalguy

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A7 chip and 1 GB RAM is too little, it struggles on iOS 12 as well. I'd recommend downgrading to iOS 10 if you really want the speed back but it seems like you're not interested in this per se, app support is probably more important
I have my mini 2 on IOS 10, I compared to my old air 1 on IOS 12 and honestly the air was slightly faster... So I wouldn't agree with IOS 10 being faster than 12.
Having said that, to reply to the OP, no device with 1GB RAM got iPadOS and every device with 2 did, that's why.... A7 per se isn't much slower than A8
 

Homme

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I have my mini 2 on IOS 10, I compared to my old air 1 on IOS 12 and honestly the air was slightly faster... So I wouldn't agree with IOS 10 being faster than 12.
Having said that, to reply to the OP, no device with 1GB RAM got iPadOS and every device with 2 did, that's why.... A7 per se isn't much slower than A8

except the A8 on the Mini 4
 

Digitalguy

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I put 10 back on my Mini 2, I forgot what tool I used. Leetdown didn't work for me but there was a couple others out there.
Do you notice a difference? Based on my comparison, 10 is at best similar to 12... I keep mine on 10 only because of 32bit apps not because of speed...
 

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Which is amazing given how long it’s A8 is surviving at iPadOS 14 compared to 6/6+/Touch 6th Generation at iOS 12
It's surviving but it's slow... A8 was not a big upgrade over A7 (A7 doubled the performance of A6X, A8 was only a minor upgrade over A7). If they had put 2GB on A7 it would probably still be updated...
This shows that Apple is ready to "decouple" a SOC based on RAM, but I am not sure they will do it again...
If iPadOS 15 is a big upgrade as 11 and 13 were, my guess is that A8, A8X and A9 will be left behind. However this won't get rid of all 2GB devices, because it would leave the A9X iPad pro 9.7 and the A10 iPad 2018, which will get IpadOS 15 100% (and would probably also get the likely minor update that iPadOS 16 will be, since iPad updates are on an alternating cycle of major update one year, with some devices being left behind and fine-tuning the next with all devices being updated)
What's interesting is what they will do with A9X, since the 2015 pro has 4GB RAM and could get a few more years, while the 9.7 pro might end up struggling... I am not sure that this time they will decouple again, since it's the same iPad generation... and the 4GB 2015 is even older than the 2GB 2016 one... I am afraid the first pro will be left behind at iPadOS 17 because of its smaller brother (and iPadOS 17 will get rid of any 2GB devices, at least for iPad, including the 2018 iPad...).
Another interesting case of potential decoupling will the iPhone 8, with the 8 being on A11 but having only 2GB and the 8 plus having 3GB.... Will see, but again being the same generation I doubt they will decouple...
 
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Jack Neill

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Do you notice a difference? Based on my comparison, 10 is at best similar to 12... I keep mine on 10 only because of 32bit apps not because of speed...
I remembered 10 as being faster, in reality its only slightly faster, but I too had some old games I wanted to play that were no longer supported. I can't believe how ugly the App Store was in those days..
 

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Which is amazing given how long it’s A8 is surviving at iPadOS 14 compared to 6/6+/Touch 6th Generation at iOS 12
My mini 4 run 14 great, but my battery is shot and Im not sure its worth replacing as I really don't need another mini. I had bought it for my rents a few years ago and they wanted a new so I got them a new whatever gen the 9.7 is this year and now I have a wired iPad mini for my troubles.
 

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I remembered 10 as being faster, in reality its only slightly faster, but I too had some old games I wanted to play that were no longer supported. I can't believe how ugly the App Store was in those days..
I think our memories are a bit biased, because of IOS 11, that slowed down everything, so people thought IOS 10 was better than 12, and I did too, until I compared them...
 
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Digitalguy

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My mini 4 run 14 great, but my battery is shot and Im not sure its worth replacing as I really don't need another mini. I had bought it for my rents a few years ago and they wanted a new so I got them a new whatever gen the 9.7 is this year and now I have a wired iPad mini for my troubles.
My mini 4 battery is dying too, it lasts 30 minutes... but for me it's not worth replacing since I have the mini 5 too...And I am probably spoiled by the mini 5 and my other pros, but the mini 4 feels very slow on iPadOS 14 to me....
 

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My mini 4 battery is dying too, it lasts 30 minutes... but for me it's not worth replacing since I have the mini 5 too...And I am probably spoiled by the mini 5 and my other pros, but the mini 4 feels very slow on iPadOS 14 to me....
Same, I have a Mini 2 16, 10.5 Pro 64, Air 3 256, and 2nd gen 11 Pro 128. I don't really need a mini 4 to complete my iPad experience. lol.
 

Digitalguy

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Same, I have a Mini 2 16, 10.5 Pro 64, Air 3 256, and 2nd gen 11 Pro 128. I don't really need a mini 4 to complete my iPad experience. lol.
Yeah, I too have mini 2 16, 1st pro 12.9 128, pro 9.7 128, pro 10.5 256, pro 11 1Tb and mini 5 64. My mini 4 64 is redundant (the mini 2 at least has 32 bit apps). Instead I happily spent the $100 battery replacement for my 2015 12.9 since it's still a great device and definitely fast enough. My 10.5 is a bit redundant too now that I have the 11 pro, but it's tough to sell it at a good price given the white spot...
 
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Jack Neill

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Yeah, I too have mini 2 16, 1st pro 12.9 128, pro 9.7 128, pro 10.5 256, pro 11 1Tb and mini 5 64. My mini 4 64 is redundant (the mini 2 at least has 32 bit apps). Instead I happily spent the $100 battery replacement for my 2015 12.9 since it's still a great device and definitely fast enough. My 10.5 is a bit redundant too now that I have the 11 pro, but it's tough to sell it at a good price given the white spot...
Mine has a white spot too.. It used to bother me but like the notch on my phone, I just don't see it anymore.
 

Digitalguy

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Mine has a white spot too.. It used to bother me but like the notch on my phone, I just don't see it anymore.
I hoped I could be like this too, but so far it's still bothering me every time. I use dark mode, which helps, I even switched to Firefox on it, which makes any web page in dark mode, contrary to safar, but for Word files for instance it's a pain, I can use the accessibility shortcut to invert dark and white but then it becomes a bit of a pain to read... Hopefully one day I'll manage not to notice it any more like you, but for now I cannot unsee it....
 
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Homme

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It's surviving but it's slow... A8 was not a big upgrade over A7 (A7 doubled the performance of A6X, A8 was only a minor upgrade over A7). If they had put 2GB on A7 it would probably still be updated...
This shows that Apple is ready to "decouple" a SOC based on RAM, but I am not sure they will do it again...
If iPadOS 15 is a big upgrade as 11 and 13 were, my guess is that A8, A8X and A9 will be left behind. However this won't get rid of all 2GB devices, because it would leave the A9X iPad pro 9.7 and the A10 iPad 2018, which will get IpadOS 15 100% (and would probably also get the likely minor update that iPadOS 16 will be, since iPad updates are on an alternating cycle of major update one year, with some devices being left behind and fine-tuning the next with all devices being updated)
What's interesting is what they will do with A9X, since the 2015 pro has 4GB RAM and could get a few more years, while the 9.7 pro might end up struggling... I am not sure that this time they will decouple again, since it's the same iPad generation... and the 4GB 2015 is even older than the 2GB 2016 one... I am afraid the first pro will be left behind at iPadOS 17 because of its smaller brother (and iPadOS 17 will get rid of any 2GB devices, at least for iPad, including the 2018 iPad...).
Another interesting case of potential decoupling will the iPhone 8, with the 8 being on A11 but having only 2GB and the 8 plus having 3GB.... Will see, but again being the same generation I doubt they will decouple...

Yes I believe if they gave even the A7 devices 2GB Of RAM they would have gotten even iOS 14

Yes I also believe they will get rid of A8 to the A9 for iOS/iPadOS 15, the A9 devices had to sacrifice battery for stability, something which stuffed the SE, 6s and (possibly) 6s plus’s battery the most, for the iPad Mini/Air 2/5th Gen iPads they have huge battery’s compared to the iPhones and A8X is in ways more advanced than the A9 due to the X tech these processors have so they didn’t suffer as much so yes I’m there, but although 12.9 inch A9X has double the RAM as the 9.7 inch iPad Pro ( and the processor speed being 2.26Ghz compared to 2.16Ghz for the 9.7 inch model) which that huge iPad needed it also needed that extra CPU power and RAM for its huge screen, millions of pixels the screen has and its bigger resolution than the 9.7 inch model which could mean both can not support a future OS at the same time though who knows

in regards to your opinion on the other devices with 2GB RAM afterwards I’m willing to bet Touch 7th Gen will not get a future OS before any other A10 devices due to its severe underclocking of its High performance cores as well as its **** battery like even both the A9X iPads are better than that device

it would be interesting with 2GB and A11 for iPhone 8 to be the exact minimum specs for a future iOS update and how that will handle
 
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