I saw a thread about a rumored M2 iPad Pro and I didn't want to hijack it. At some point isn't Apple going to have to do something besides minor ascetic design change and just dumping a larger processor into these machines? I have a M1 IPP 2TB and the only thing that limits it now is IPAD OS. It keeps up with my M1 MBP just fine. I know Apple seems to be moving to the intel strategy of more releases, less updates/innovation, but when do they remember that isn't what made Apple's fan base? Side note, if they brought out a folding IPP and just opened up IPADOS I'd be totally game!
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It's logical to assume that the iPP will get the M2 after the regular M1 computers get it.
It's logical with Apples new approach to moving release dates closer and closer, not logical as far as innovation. With iPadOS as it is the A series chip and the M series chip aren't much different, at least I don't think. Maybe battery life.
I was IPP only for a couple of years. No good DAM, poor external monitor support, files management. Since getting a MBP M1 I use that more often, don't get me wrong I love my IPP, I just think its far more capable than what's being offered.
I agree about the monitor support. Terrible half hearted implementation. Files or file browser pro is fine for my usage, not as robust as Finder but does what I need and both are getting better with each release. Lack of a decent DAM is an issue, but that’s really an app that’s missing rather than the os itself, from my point of view as a photographer anyway. I’m hoping this will get resolved with C1 being released for the iPad though, though not looking likely for the first few releases.
I have no problem with yearly minor spec upgrades, which is completely normal. Every year there is always a buyer in the market with a 3-6 year old iPad who wants to upgrade, so they should have something with the latest spec to choose from.
For me, I think iPadOS‘ biggest drawback is the lack of full-screen monitor support. I would also prefer the ability to split-view in four quadrants with four apps, or at least to split-view horizontally.
Other than that I like the implementation of the touch interface and it feels very fast.
For me, I think iPadOS‘ biggest drawback is the lack of full-screen monitor support. I would also prefer the ability to split-view in four quadrants with four apps, or at least to split-view horizontally.
Other than that I like the implementation of the touch interface and it feels very fast.
What does one do with just the bare OS that the advanced hardware of the iPad could do better than say, any basic modern hardware?
The apps are the place where the power is most used, and there are plenty of apps which can and do utilise the power of an iPad.
The OS facilitates the applications, in what way is it hampering the power of the hardware when used with say, Luma Fusion?
I don’t know what DAM is, but for full screen external monitors wouldn’t all developers have to change their apps to support basically any aspect ratio and resolution? Seems like quite an endeavor. Apple might not see the demographic who uses external displays with iPads as big enough to be worth the effort, but if it is I think they’ll implement it eventually. Or they might not and reserve that for Macs. I do think Apple’s main goal is for the iPad to be complementary to the Mac, with the byproduct being that the iPad can be a replacement for some people. I think that’s why they seem to add Mac-like functions to the iPad so experimentally and infrequently.
For file management, my only real frustration is that functionality is inconsistent between apps. I can usually get done what I need, but once in awhile I’ll run into an app that won‘t share the file where I want it to go and I’ll have to find a workaround. I guess that’s on the developers, but this problem has been around for a long time. I wish Apple could somehow force developers to get it together.
But maybe my biggest frustration with iPadOS (and iOS) right now is actually just autocorrect. It is infuriatingly bad.
For file management, my only real frustration is that functionality is inconsistent between apps. I can usually get done what I need, but once in awhile I’ll run into an app that won‘t share the file where I want it to go and I’ll have to find a workaround. I guess that’s on the developers, but this problem has been around for a long time. I wish Apple could somehow force developers to get it together.
But maybe my biggest frustration with iPadOS (and iOS) right now is actually just autocorrect. It is infuriatingly bad.
Yes it's truly terrible.
I read this and almost spit out my coffee haha. I get so frustrated with it sometimes I want to take it out on the poor device.
It’s hardware is capable of running a full blown Mac OS. Again, file management is terrible. Files has come a long way, but it is still painful. Your example of LumaFusion is a really good example. It’s optimized great for the IPad, runs smooth. It also runs smooth on my MBP. Let’s look at some other examples, if I want to run final cut because LumaFusion is good, but not quite as robust, no luck. Let’s look at photoshop, available for the iPad, yes, full featured no. Sure affinity photo can do Mac OS or IPad OS, but again, that shows the iPad could likely run photoshop, not watered down if it wasn’t for IPadOS.
I don't want it to run full blown macOS. That's what a Mac is for.
I don't get what the OS has to do with limiting the power of the app in your examples. It's not at all. Affinity Photo runs the same on macOS as it does on iPadOS. So the OS cant be a factor there.
Photoshop on the iPad is a rewrite, and it's becoming more featured each release. Albeit slowly, but that's on Adobe and no one else. But - it's not 'gimped' because of the OS, it's less featured because its not a bloated mess like photoshop is. Can you imagine trying to run Mac Photoshop as it is now on a touch first device? Would be horrible. Lightroom on the iPad, however, is elegant and powerful and probably the best app in it's category. Aside the fact of the choice made by adobe limiting its usefulness in comparison with Lightroom Classic regarding external drives that is. So photoshop will get there. These things take time.
So I ask again, what about the OS makes apps less powerful, or what is the OS unable to achieve that it's judged as gimped due to the power of the hardware?
I think the frustration people have with iPadOS is generational. I am a 20 year old male and people of my age and younger have no idea how file systems work or how to use MacOS/Windows computers. We have to remember, Mac sales represent 10% of Apple's revenue. The Mac user-base is a loud minority.
I recently bought a M1 MacBook Air and it felt jarring. The OS doesn't look modern to me. Sure, the icons resemble iOS but the UI and animations are a thing from the past. Have you seen the Preferences in MacOS? It's a relic from the 90's. Not very user friendly. Anyone can pick up an iPad, Chromebook or iOS device and get to work. Also, you can't use the Apple Pencil. As far as I'm concerned, the only reason to buy a Windows/Mac device is if your job requires very specific, heavy apps like Xcode and Adobe Premiere.
I recently bought a M1 MacBook Air and it felt jarring. The OS doesn't look modern to me. Sure, the icons resemble iOS but the UI and animations are a thing from the past. Have you seen the Preferences in MacOS? It's a relic from the 90's. Not very user friendly. Anyone can pick up an iPad, Chromebook or iOS device and get to work. Also, you can't use the Apple Pencil. As far as I'm concerned, the only reason to buy a Windows/Mac device is if your job requires very specific, heavy apps like Xcode and Adobe Premiere.
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Yeah, the last programming class I took in college (5+ years ago) - a huge percentage of students were trying to take the quizzes (online despite the class being in person) with their iPhones despite having desktops provided by the college in front of every seat. lol. It's definitely a very different generation for the most part (when it comes to how computers are used).
Heck. I'm 61 and like the iPad OS better than Windows or MacOS. The latter two are cumbersome and add steps to my workflow. I replaced my MBP with my M1 iPP 11 for my real estate businesses, and it made my work fun again. First off, at my age I was proud of myself for learning a new OS, and cutting the redundancy of devices I needed for work. To me iPadOS is just more fluid and intuitive for the kind of work I do. I create and work with contracts, documents, and pdfs. I take a lot of notes, and sketch house and room dimensions. The camera is even good enough for taking photos for my listings. Communication with clients is also easy. One device that is easy and fun to use that takes care of all my business needs. Yes I do have an M1 Mac Mini for keeping backups on, but it get used mainly for watching movies and reading news. I know it is the opposite of most peoples use case, but hey, I love my iPad and it just lets me work the way I need to. We may be a large minority, but that is changing.
You can read how I replaced my MBP and see all the things that can be done with the iPad in the two links in my signature.
I think the main issue is that to type this you probably have a keyboard folio and you obviously have a pencil so add all that and it’s much more money than a MacBook Air but a lot less functionality. Apple has essentially made owning an iPad as your sole computing device more expensive than an actual laptop running a full operating system.Heck. I'm 61 and like the iPad OS better than Windows or MacOS. The latter two are cumbersome and add steps to my workflow. I replaced my MBP with my M1 iPP 11 for my real estate businesses, and it made my work fun again. First off, at my age I was proud of myself for learning a new OS, and cutting the redundancy of devices I needed for work. To me iPadOS is just more fluid and intuitive for the kind of work I do. I create and work with contracts, documents, and pdfs. I take a lot of notes, and sketch house and room dimensions. The camera is even good enough for taking photos for my listings. Communication with clients is also easy. One device that is easy and fun to use that takes care of all my business needs. Yes I do have an M1 Mac Mini for keeping backups on, but it get used mainly for watching movies and reading news. I know it is the opposite of most peoples use case, but hey, I love my iPad and it just lets me work the way I need to. We may be a large minority, but that is changing.
You can read how I replaced my MBP and see all the things that can be done with the iPad in the two links in my signature.
That may be, but I’d rather have a tablet computer that can also double as a laptop and has all the functionality I need than a laptop that can never be a tablet.
"lot less functionality" This is a matter of subjectivity. For what I need, my iPad has more functionality than a laptop and gets my work done with less steps. The ability to write, sketch, freely annotate, sign, take pictures and videos, and more are all functionality that the MBA does not have.
"full operating system" iPadOS is a "full operating system" developed for tablet computers. Yes it has some evolving to do, but it is mostly limited by the lack of developers willingness to make more advanced apps. That is certain to change as more people find they can use it for more than just consumption.
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That may be, but I’d rather have a tablet computer that can also double as a laptop and has all the functionality I need than a laptop that can never be a tablet.
"lot less functionality" This is a matter of subjectivity. For what I need, my iPad has more functionality and gets my work done with less steps. The ability to write, sketch, freely annotate, sign, take pictures and videos, and more are all functionality that the MBA does not have.
"full operating system" iPadOS is a "full operating system" developed for tablet computers. Yes it has some evolving to do, but it is mostly limited by the lack of developers willingness to make more advanced apps. That is certain to change as more people find they can use it for more than just consumption.
If it's a tablet you want then price relative to a laptop is not really an issue - that price being something you're willing to pay is what is important. And regarding functionality, more or less is less relevant than having the functionality you require in the device. Having more functionality than you require is not really a selling point.
Are you saying this in response to my post? If you are, then you are singing to the choir. ? I am pretty certain that since we've shared this subject in other threads of this nature, that you know my feelings for my iPad Pro and how it has positively changed the way I work.
It has more functionality than a MacBook Air though, if you look at it from the other side of the table. And it’s only more expensive if you add expensive accessories to it, or else it’s far cheaper as you well know.
Yes. I want a tablet and I don't need a keyboard folio or a pencil which affect the price relative to a laptop - when needed, I use an inexpensive, portable folding BT keyboard.